Conservative Today VS Liberal Today

Im now going to pretend like I am an expert in this. What I want is other peoples opinions on what it means to be both and then id like you to give examples towards those meanings please. And of course rebut and argue over the two and explain why you think one is better than the other.

Haha I'll pretend to be an expert for a moment too.

Conservatives and Liberals of today are very hard for me to differentiate. It seems fewer and fewer people are willing to put themselves in either category. Liberals seem to claim to be of a "progressive" mind while Conservatives are of a "static" mindset. There's really no such thing as a Conservative or a Liberal anymore, but people living in conditions they are happy with lean toward Conservatism while people who desire a change within their own lives lean toward Liberalism. That's why there are a bunch of rich Conservatives and poor Liberals, yea?

Rich Liberals usually make the most sense to me. Not only do they promote change, but they have also created a sturdy environment for their own life. They have an appearance of being daring in a lot of ways. Like a person who has won at Russian Roulette.

I can see that position Wyote and to some extent I agree though over here in the UK conservatism has its opposite in liberalism in the sense that one is for privatisation and the other nationalisation; although there is a blur here too since the 1980s.

I think the most appropriate quote I've ever heard is by Winston Churchill:

'Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains

Yea, it has the same sense of opposition here as well. I was just trying to keep it in very simple terms. Nationalization appears quite daring in its ideals and scope, while privatization appears safe.

I see where you're coming from Wyote.

I love idealsim - if only it worked!

As I grow older I start to see things. But before I explain them I think its important to set some perspective. See - on the whole- no matter what people think - most people are good people. They have kids and they like to make sure they grow up safe - and a lot of kids can run around in their environment laughing and smiling.

The downside-and here's where reality kicks in- is that some people aren't happy or reject and have a hatred towards their circumstances (or else follow negative idelogies). Its here that our aspirations for freedom, truth and good-will fall down.

And so it is that despite our keeness - some take enjoyment in other's misfortune. This weakness becomes a strength in the format of our societies and its for this reason that we have to be conservative in our ways. This alone stops us advancing at a faster rate, yet at the same time it prevents us from degrading.

As unfortunate as this is I can only see one way and that it to remain conservative in our minds but let our hearts have hope for the freedom and *liberation* we hope for.

Ok, heres a better way. Answer the follring questions in a reply then state if you are conservitive or liberal. Explain why you answered the qeustions the way you did.

Do you think universal health care is good?

Are you for or against abortion?

What comes fisrt, buisness or little people?

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Explain why you answered the questions the way you did.
1-Do you think universal health care is good?

2-Are you for or against abortion?

3-What comes first, business or little people?

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#2 Hmm . . . reminded of the abortion issues used to make it legal, yet by far abortions are done not based on those issues but tend to be more of a quick fix for poor judgment. But then this is an emotional issue which means rhyme & reason have little impact on judgments.
As for #1 Yes, I think that it would be best & #3 people are more important. That is another story.
so how do I rate? liberal or conservative?

Here's my shot.
Politics isn't applied how it should be and has spiraled into a religion rather then general points of views. After over a decade of research, thought, understanding of different views and working hard to keep my mind open and eyes unclouded. Here is some of what I understand in the world at large.

2 major U.S. Religions
Republicans seem...
Punish rather then cure,
Look for the short term,
Prefers everyone on a solid foundation of faith,
Change the situation to fit them,
Favor individual wealth,
Fight rather then talk (war)
Powerful and unstoppable government
One state/ One country
Low taxes, manage your own wealth how you see fit (need for insurance, ect)
Exploit, but don't get caught, do as you see fit
Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth

Democrats seem...
Rehabilitate rather then punish
Look for the long term
Would rather people have different opinions, points of views, and faiths,
Adapt them-selves to fit the situation,
Spread the wealth,
Talk rather then fight (war)
Keep the government in check
United States/ United Countries
High taxes, you spend money on food, luxury, entertainment like items (Socialistic)
Don't exploit, slows things down and is corrupt, government money should be govern spending
Forgive, (though unimaginable at times)

After years of thought I have come up with a 3D chart on politics. (Still beta stages)

Line chart on politics
Left (Liberal) Center Right (Conservative)
Greater good Balance Every man for himself
Communist – Socialist – Democrat – Republican – Theocratic – Monarch - Anarchy

X – Taxes. 0 being a free economy 100% being wealth being none existent
0-10% would be anarchy to monarch
11- 40% would be Monarch to Republic
41-60 % Democrat
61-80% Socialist
80-100% is Communist
Y – Government Control/ Dictate your life and what you do
These are things such as abortion, free speech, ownership, daily routines, swearing, pornography, religious beliefs, ect
0% No free will.
50% limited freedom
100% free
Simple I know

Z – View
This is where do you stand in today's political turmoil. And this is how they should be named vs what they are today. As current day it is a religion, and not going off what it should be.

0%
Liberal
Separate yourself from animals. (Avoid barbaric emotions such as lust, greed, anger...)
Prefers unnatural (clothing, processed foods, genetic engineering...)
Advance and change for better. Ignore tradition, be as efficient as possible
Entertainment isn't necessary

50%
Balance of the two extremes of course

100%
Conservative
Let your emotions and instincts guide you (use and allow greed, anger and lust)
Prefers the natural state (avoid clothing as its not natural, Eat natural grown foods, make room for technology but stay close to human roots)
Advance slowly, keep traditional values, even if it's not as efficient.
Entertainment is the reason for living

Make sense?

It's pretty much the same it has always been...and you can be a conservative democrat or a liberal republican....but one things doesn't change.

Republicans are the political party to make the rich richer.

The democrats are the political party to make a strong Middle Class.

I think when you see those blendings of parties what you are seeing is the New World Order group....those who support the World Bank, World Trade Organization and support a North American Union. THEY are the ones who call themselves "centrists". And they are like Bush, Clinton, McCain..."

How do democrats make a strong middle class and how do republicans make the rich richer? Just wondering, I dont mean to be offensive.

Repbublicans tend to favor rich and make rich richer because you have to have money to make money. Stock market is a good example of this that, if a rich and poor person put in 10% of there annual incomein to the same long term stock, the rich man would get more money in return.
Sure its fair, and an arguable way to put it. but thats the best way I can put it.

What in the world do the republicans have to do with rich people investing in teh stock market?

"Stock market is a good example of this that, if a rich and poor person put in 10% of there annual incomein to the same long term stock, the rich man would get more money in return."

Tell me one thing that republicans have to do with this.

I wrote way too much to try and explain why the stock market is a Republican form of economy. The example I gave was rather poorly explained only saying a wealthy vs poor assuming the average of Republicans prefer the strong wealthy, and Democrats prefer the strong middle class.

But you just asked for one thing so to put it simply, it favors Individual wealth.
'He who has the gold, makes the rules.'

Did you know that The Clintons net worth and Obama's net worth are much much bigger than McCains.

As far as I am concerned youve given no evidence to what you are saying and you are only saying things.

I see... taking a particular example to attack a big picture or general aspect.
So rather then attempting to understand something, you attack it to kill it.
Republican?