Theres got to be more

As a human we count our selves above all other creatures for our intelligence and that special something.

In my philosophy class today we started talking about utilitarianism and one of the theories was minimum pain maximum pleasure. what im asking you is if there are other things in life that result in other than pain or pleasure and what drives a human.

Otherwise my point is that we are slightly better educated pigs.

utilitarianism has its ups and downs. the main flaw being that not everyone gets pain and pleasure from the same things. also, when applying the Golden Rule to utilitarianism, a lot of problems can arise. an example that was given to me that im fond of is this - suppose i am an avid fan of pornography, i subscribe to Playboy, Hustler...ect. and recieve a pamphlet in the mail offering to send a friend information about the magazine and how to subscribe... many magazines do this. so being the good utilitarian i am, i decide to send out all of my friends information about the magazine. since i love pornography so much, obviously they will too, and it is my duty to "do unto others as they would do unto you"

we are driven strongly by pleasure, but i feel that it is more neccissary to discover what is right then what feels good.

both pleasure and pain are necessary for continued evolition on both a cognative and physical level(though physical evolution has slowed considerably over the last 200 thousand years). without both of of these elements flush within our collective experience, the species would likley not exist today. as for the better educated pig analogy, the pig-human relationship would be better represented as such: an all pro NFL quaterback, and a pee-wee league six year old of the same position. they are both playing the same game, but the differences in how they play that game are profound. or something to that effect

the problem with utalitarianism, is i feel a simple one. its main phiosophy is to utilise everything in a way that gives you the most pleasure and least pain. the problem is that this often results in people utilising others, and therefore causing pain to others. making utilitariansts very hard people to get along with, because anyone serious about it will only treat you nicely as long as it is good for them, the moment it is a problem for them, they'll stop. if everyone was a utilitarianist, society would cease to function, and human relationships would be made impossible.

i too feel utilitarianism has its flaws, but wyote, according to the theory what feels good (not just physically) is what is right. and cynic-al the theory states what should be done is what results in the most happiness for the most poeple, not just for the person doing it. thus if society ceased to function because poeople acted to benefit individual convinence, they would not be acting accordingly, with respects to the utilitarian doctrine.

my fault. i meant to say that we should search for what is right based on truths/facts/logic. not simply based on what is most pleasing.

why do you want to "evolve"? why is that so important?

why would you want to type "wy so you want to "evolve"?..." there is a reason(s) for wanting to evolve as you wanting to make that comment.. think about it..

i ask you this simple question

Why does there have to be more?

There doesn't have to be there just is