And complaints and bitching that were previously thrown all over this discussion form can be moved, here.
[The whole Platonic thing was a smart ass remark for our dear, beloved "philosopher" here. Plato had an idea that everything that exists has a perfect form, for instance, an apple has a perfect form in heaven, and honestly, I don't WANT to even think about Romach's perfect form. I'm sure it's in hell, anyway.]