To The SwiftBoat Vets For Truth - Page 3

DT -

You're too smart to be making such logical errors.

"Bush used his dad's connections. Did a little here, a little there, but basically nothing."

He learned how to fly an extremely dangerous fighter jet. That's nothing to you? And no one knows why Bush was allowed into that unit. What we do know is W played no role in getting himself into that unit. W was a nobody. Yes his family connections or father MAY have helped but no one can really blame W.

"Kerry would have to do something REALLY bad for me to respect his service less then Bush's."

First off who is asking you to respect Kerry less? Bush certainly didn't. What is at question is why should Bush's service to his nation be disrespected. If it is then you must disrespect every guard member - even those who got in without any connections but what ya'll apparenlt believe would be dumb luck.

Secondly, do you think a member of the Navy should join an anti-war group and then secretly meet with representatives on foreign soil with representatives of the enemy during a war without the knowledge and permission of his govt?

"Secondly, do you think a member of the Navy should join an anti-war group and then secretly meet with representatives on foreign soil with representatives of the enemy during a war without the knowledge and permission of his govt?"

If the government is lying, starting wars illegaly, creating incidents, and killing innocents, yes, its actually all of our jobs to do so at that point whether in the military or not, we have to do something, not just blindly support the government, and definitely not take it out on the troops.

You are now supporting insurrection and acts of treason from members of the miliatary if they agree with your agenda?

Its one thing for a private citizen to do this but members of the military? Are you serious?

And are you arguing that the N Vietnamese were morally superior to the US during the war?

I am a veteran ass, it is or obligation to not follow through will illegal orders, past that, if stepping up to the government doesn't work what do you have left, sit and take it?

"And are you arguing that the N Vietnamese were morally superior to the US during the war?"

At best they were on equal ground, it wouldn't surprise me one way or the other. I wasn't there, but I hear we did some pretty nasty shit, including gassing our own people, go figure.

Getting testy?

"it is or (sic) obligation to not follow through will (sic) illegal orders, past that, if stepping up to the government doesn't work what do you have left, sit and take it?"

Thats not what I asked. Can you answer the question or cant you?

Oh dear, sorry I thought it was clear enough, should we talk to people even if the government declares them an enemy, certainly, we tend to have business dealings helping aid in some sort of arming and trading anyway, which tends to be illegal as hell, so I don't think someone who has an idea of actually negotiating and finding out what is really going on should be balked at.

Keep in mind, when it came to diplomacy in Nam, we are leaving it up to mostly Nixon and Kissinger, America doesn't even trust these people and for good reason, you expect anyone else to?

On two separate occasions the FBI had done a lengthy investigation of Mr. Kerry. The second time when he announced he was running for president. On both occasions nothing was found. Yet everyone keeps throwing these accusations around that not even the FBI could discover.

It is one thing to commit treason, It is yet another to accuse someone of treason.

To disagree with Vietnam and voice your protest and tell the world what actually accured there is not treason, it is our right under the constitution. Surely the Vietnam Vets earned the right to practice their freedom of speech and right to protest, and thousands of them did. Kerry led that group and was the leader of heros, who were both not afraid to go to nam or afraid to protest against it.

"should we talk to people even if the government declares them an enemy, certainly"

That is not what I asked and you know that. I asked a specific question, please dont water it down and change the meaning.

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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason. When a member of the military sneaks off and meets on foreign soil during wartime with the leadership of the enemy while representing the interests of anti-war groups without the knowledge or permission of his commanding officer or government that person is clearing giving aid and comfort to the enemy. You probably think Jane Fonda didnt commit treason either.

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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason.

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Yes you are right - and Mr. Kerry did this when? Show me the proof that the FBI never found.

Kerry met with enemy officials in Paris to negotiate the release of POWs. The FBI did not find this to be criminal, neither did the Sanate or the Congress. To this day he is a Senator and was allowed to run for president.

This would never be an issue if he never ran for president under the Democratic ticket.

Jane Fonda stood up and said our POWs are being treated very well - back then that might have been criminal, but unfortunately, it looks like the Viet Cong have treated our POWs better than what we are treating are POWs now. Kinda seems to be a mute point isn't it.

The only thing Kerry did wrong was to become a Democrat. If he had been Republican, you'de all be calling him a hero.

If is a shame that we are unable to judge facts for facts without personal feelings or bias.

To much television, we have learned to let other people tell us what to believe without studying the truth for ourselves.

These aren't swift boat folk

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It all started in 1967, with six Vietnam veterans marching together in a peace demonstration. Now, thirty-eight years later, VVAW is still going strong-- continuing its fight for peace, justice, and the rights of all veterans.

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http://www.vvaw.org/

The organization Kerry started - the group that ended the war. You might want to check them out before you accuse them of crimes against their country, compare them with Jane Fonda and label them unamerican.

They are the true Americans folks. This is what America is all about, this is how America got started. The tea party - if you recall your history.

I wish people like you could experience your own hypocrisy. The Viet Cong treated our POWs better than we treat the Iraqis? Tell that to John McCain. Saying something that immoral and foolish is your right but man it sure hurts your credibility. I really pity you.

If Kerry was a Republican he would have never been elected to office. He surely wouldn't have won the nomination. He would have been called out for his socialist views and rejected overwhelmingly.

As for Kerry's treasonous actions they were pardoned by Carter. This is why Kerry was able to get his medals back in 1986 after becoming a Senator. Kerry has never denied his activities in France when he met with the enemy. If you are ignorant regarding this episode in his life then go do a little research - you will find all you need to know - however knowing the truth wont change your opinion of him because your idols can do no wrong, right?

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As for Kerry's treasonous actions they were pardoned by Carter.

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What was pardoned - send me a link? If you can find it - And it will say that Mr. Kerry was negotiating the release of pows - what is treasonous about that, nothing - therefore the pardon and the FBI finding nothing.

John McCain and Mr. Kerry are good friends if you didn't know that. What they are doing to Kerry they also did to John McCain - tried to accuse him of all this garbage from Vietnam. John McCain will defend Kerry and has and does, just ask him.

I'm sure John McCain is very sorry about the way we are treating our POWs, and if you believed in justice and America, so would you.

But you are one of those who believe that God is on our side, so whatever we do is okay. Hitler also believed this. Hitler was a failure, Vietnam was a failure, and so is the Bush administration who has taken a surplus and turned it into a defecit. Who cuts programs for the poor and taxes for the rich. Mr. Bush who cuts deals with Sadia Arabia has committed treason already against his country, but we will ignore that, while we put Mr. Kerry under the magnifying glass, for something that happened while you were in diapers, that you and many like you know nothing about.

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I wish people like you could experience your own hypocrisy.

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Takes one to know one - What you say about others is truth about yourself.

Need to look in the mirror pale.

"Takes one to know one - What you say about others is truth about yourself. Need to look in the mirror pale."

What are you trying to say? Of course some things I say about others are true of me and some things arent. However, you equate the torture and murders of POWs in Vietnam with the 3 meals, freedom to worship, medical supervision and care etc given to Iraqi POWs. I really do pity you.