Obama Deception

I don't mean to sound racist but it seems to me that it looks like he's only looking out for the Negro community.

If I'm not mistaken, hasn't he already given Stevie Wonder an honor of some sort?

I ain't an American and I ain't a member of the Klan or some Nazi related organization but I can see the man getting assassinated! You got plenty of tobacco chewin' redneck inbreds out there that would happily take thier 12gauges and pop him in the passing! Plus the likes of the Klan will have something to say soon enough because they won't settle for a Negro in the head office of thier "glorious nation"! You just have to wonder what the hell is going on these days!

I didnt really watch the video its to long I just scaned through it

Why all the plastic coffins ?

Does the us government plan to kill of (ethnically cleanse America off all its dissidents !

Or lets takes a wider look
Natural disasters
Floods
Earthquakes ect

mass numbers of plastic Coffins where you might want to keep bodies so they can be identified and disposed of in a humane manner .
Did Nazi Germany whilst trying to wipe out the Germanic Jewish community or Khmer rouge trying to turn Cambodia into a socialist state Use coffins do you think they cared about each person identity.
Piers and pits where there final resting place

Fema is planning for the very worst

A mass global pandemic has passed its predicted deadline by about 6 years now many biological scientist believe where running on borrowed time.
It will probably be some kind of variant influenza when it finally does happen.
And I really hope this is something the scientific community is wrong about

But lets not stop on the most obvious

Natural disasters take a look at Indonesia and the boxing day Tsunami 300,000 died. All those people swept out to see drowned in a massive inland swell and the clean up and identification process that came after
this is what disaster relief funds and agencies are for .
Wait you say America will never suffer from a Tsunami ?

http://www.oce.uri.edu/~grilli/Maretzki-Grilli-Baxter-07.pdf

what happens when half a volcano falls into the sea

Earthquake
I don't think I need to harp on about this one to much I only need to whisper San Andreas fault and Californians get twitchy .

almost 304 million citizens live in America how can 20,000 Uniformed troops ever hope to control that many people if a totalitarian state was created .Saying that Uniformed troops on street corners is A big no no in any free democratic society.
They can only be rolled out in the advent of a disaster ,when no other option than to enforce Marshall law to help protect and save the innocent from the desperate and Criminal Elements that thrive in such circumstances.

Katrina showed just how unprepared America was to deal with Disaster with images of predominately black people sitting on roof tops after having lost everything and peoples homes being looted.

Also known as Americas shame .


F.E.M.A is a contingency plan for 304 million Americans you should feel privileged that your government is organised and responsible for its citizens welfare, that this has been created for you

Pakistan India and many other countries have to look outwards when s**t hits the fan

Homeland Security

Endgame

http://www.thenyic.org/images/uploads/ICE_Endgame_Strategic_Plan.pdf

http://www.dhs.gov/xoig/assets/mgmtrpts/OIG_06-33_Apr06.pdf

This is predominantly why the camps are being built (although I cant find much evidence of them on the internet). The US government or the stakeholders as this dossier puts it is going for 100% deportation of all illegal immigrants or undesirables through Legal means, this also includes a exchange programme for prisoners.
there are a reported 12 million illegal Aliens in America and the influx is predicted to escalate due to Global recession which no doubt will lead to food shortages in neighbouring countries to America, only aggravating the influx off immigrants entering America illegally .
This abhorrent programme is not designed to enslave America it will make America a gated community only letting in those with useful skills and money in there pockets .but lets think about the numbers for just one second

America wants 100 % extraction the dossiers plan started 2003-2012 it has 4 year to reach fruition
that means they would have to completely secure there borders and deport 3 million people a year 250,000 people a month 62500 people a week 15625 a day that's assuming you could find them all.
And that's not even taking into account any influx because borders can never be 100% secure.
The means and tools have been put into place apparently, now all that remains to be seen is will America use them.
Will the common person stand by while people discriminated for the nationality are forced to leave what they now call there home .

This would truly be the Final solution to Americas Immigrant problem

This is the most insane notion

America no longer cares if the public no about its totalitarian plans

If the U.S. government no longer care who knows about there sinister plans for a totalitarian state where is the web site that explains it.
Just because America is choosing to deport Those it believes are not legal citizens does not make it Totalitarian. It is not trying to control the thought processes of the common person or his views through coercive action and oppression.
It just makes those who agree with the deportation policy complete tools.

Soviet Union
the only example comparable in size to a totalitarian state ,seeing how much that failed and American political and public aversion to it why would anyone try and enforce it.
You would have to nominate a mad man for president as you did with Bush and he didn't manage it either .Will your slightly better choice in Obama remains to be seen ,although there are rumours he has given the nod for the deportation camps to be used I haven't found any hard facts as of yet

Well what about china ROC

Well from its communist Totalitarian origins it has evolved through pressure from its citizens and outside political will into a two party democracy ,not a prime example I know

America becoming a inward looking totalitarian state

I don't think so but I'm just looking at you from the outside

Again my standard apologies for any grammatical error

Arrogant Brit with bad teeth

I only viewed a portion of the video, certainly don't accept everything that I did see but . . .
It does make a valid point in that historically we should be rational as to the aspects that this republic has long endured the despotic nature of power . . . those whom hold the reins of control tend to become corrupted by it or perhaps those seeking to corrupt it to serve their willfulness! But then that is true of any form of government or power structure. We can only be constantly vigilant to pull these seedling out by the roots as they manifest themselves.

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Katrina showed just how unprepared America was to deal with Disaster with images of predominately black people sitting on roof tops after having lost everything and peoples homes being looted.

Also known as Americas shame .

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I understand what you meant by these, but I don't think you understand how you are actually contradicting yourself.

FEMA was in charge of the situation that went to shit, FEMA actually made it worse.

I have no idea what you no about the entirety of the Kartrina incident, but I'm willing to bet you don't know some of the dirty details that exist.

You may not have heard about how local police were actually having to protect themselves and the citizens from FEMA who were cutting their communications, actually stopping provisions from entering the city from such sources as Wal-Mart which happens to have one of the most intricate and advanced distribution systems on the planet, fully capable of helping.

There were provisions coming from ships being denied as well.

You may or may not have heard of the troops in the streets confiscating legally owned fire arms that people could have been using to protect themselves from any looters, the excuse given for the action ironically.

But these are just some of the details that don't make the daily circuits of "credible" news sources and fade into memory.

A concept you would do well to keep in mind is duel use, double edged sword etc. when speaking of such a thing as FEMA. I think cover stories might be too much to ask of you though.

Mind you that I do not speak in definitives but in possibilities on such matters.

Like anything else, all power is dangerous, but it is the intentions of those who hold such power that determines whether it stands a better chance of helping or hurting.

Which brings me back to a point that you have yet to address that I have alluded to elsewhere.

One of the base concepts that I have taken issue with you to begin with.

You consider anything possibly deemed conspiratorial as nonsensicle, or as your linked blog post said, "silly talk".

You seem to think that such posistions of power are somehow immune to or lack any hints of corruption, which flies in the face of all known history.

You seem to think advanced western nations have done away with the only known historical precedent of world powers trying to take over the world by any means necessary.

Feel free to correct me, this is just what is appearing to be the case and is common perspective of those who speak as you do on such issues.

You attempt to validate the reality of situations by "respected" media sources.

Tell me, especially in the case of all corporate, now far more consolodated, media, which one's are going to get access to or permission to print secretive motives of corruption and conspiracy, both from within governments and outside, except to burn scapegoats and misdirect and placate?

What news source that hopes to stay in circulation is going to be able to expose potential conspiracies that may affect their very owners and their own survival?

Why is it that in a world historically laden with corruption, greed, and resulting wars is corruption and conspiracy the last thing to be taken into account and the first to be laughed at or dismissed?

Fucking insanity. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao could not have had better help then masses of people who take just such a stance.

When I said I spoke in possibilities part of my point was, besides the above mentioned insanity of blatant anti conspiracy mentalities, the worse kind of insanity of this nature is that which does not allow for other possibilities, does not contemplate outside of viewpoints given to them by others, especially corporate media or government spokespersons.

There are crazy conspiracies and crazy conspiracists, but there are also crazy deniars of all possibility of historically evident corruption and conspiracy as being possible today, or in selective places and circumstances.

This is an important issue and a notion I'm trying very hard to figure out how to properly articulate in order to wake up a lot of sleeping drones who just won't bother to use true critical thinking skills in regards to all the global strife we advanced 21st century people's seem to be so perpetually stuck in.

Now, you say you have posistion on any new world order talk, but what are your thoughts on the notion of one world government, vertually the same thing sure.

Is it something you aren't aware of, don't care about, don't believe, or know about and think is the right solution, what?

.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/iraq-war-delayed-katrin
a-relief-effort-inquiry-finds-509339.html

I am going keep it short this time

Please stop trying to make this about me.
I took part of the Video and criticised it I wasn't aware about the disorganised failure Of Fema with the localized authorities .

Deliberately thwarting the efforts of local authorities ?
Or where they just following the game plan of mass evacuation, just brainless morons following the order to the letter or maybe not.

World order or world government
the issue is so complex I cant even begin to pretend to prove or disprove .
I can just take small parts of the argument and scrutinise ,such as the camps for deportation although IMO morally wrong is a valid explanation .

I would like to hear your thought on mass deportation though
And the Endgame Document

I cant find any hard facts of the camps existence apart from a poor video on you tube ,would like to see some documentation and good video footage .

Its not about you, its about the seriousness of the subject matter.

Its directed towards you because I'm talking to you, in regards to the perspectives you are presenting and representing.

Perspectives I either need explained in such a way as to agree with or that I indeed need to challenge or explain against in order to get those who hold them to rethink and or change them.

Because, would you agree or disagree, if the true motives behind such power grabs and world catastrophies were indeed intentional and malevolent, and people continued to deny even the possibility of it, that they indeed would be supporting this evil and part of the problem?

Other reasons you appear somewhat singled out is because of your increasingly rare take on the issues, at least around here, at least in comparison to those who bother to voice their opinions.

As well as a particular pet peeve of mine, dismissiveness of perspectives that unfortunately are stigmatized as due to their conspiratorial nature, especially in the face of obvious lacking information on the part of those who act this way.

What so many so suddenly fail to understand, in a basic conceptual sense that was once mandatory, is that the powerful conspire against the masses to maintain their power.

Your own quote of power corrupting is the point I'm feeling, for some strange and very ironic reason, to have to explain to you and others.

What needs to be understood is that tyranny and conspiracy have grown more sophisticated, secrecy, covert over overt are the key. This is the entire point of psychological warfare, propaganda, deception, and indeed secrecy.

Just because tyranny has done an excellent job of looking like freedom does not mean that it is.

Every emergency power contingency plan can have a very "well intended" explanation attached to it. Just as the majority of people involved in its execution would be working on this premise.

But it only takes that key posistions of authority to have both made these plans, or later abuse them, for their own nefarious means to turn this all upside down.

That is why power is not meant to be consolodated in such ways, tragic events are tragice whether the people are empowered or enslaved.

They are most definitely made worse when reliance on others such as governments are the means of survival and authority over the empowerment, education, and preparation of the masses of individuals, be it in times of crisis or peace.

When you give away your power and authority to others, you desreve what they give you in return.

So far, the track record under these circumstances has not been pretty.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dear-glenn-beck-detention-camps-do-exist-in-
america.html

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/74784/the-secret-government.htm

Damn Ironwood, you are one tough fella to please.

Who was the last President to whom you approved?

Not really, all I would like to see is an honest, for the people president who will, and CAN stand up against some seriously organized opposistion that has no other purpose than to consolodate power over the masses.

The president is next to irrelevant to this point however, its the people, or the masses that I wish to see take back their own power and stand up for themselves, in a truly educated and or at the very least without submission to idolotry and propaganda.

To answer your question, from what liitle I can truly know, and I even question that, I would say possibly Kennedy, for his attempts to abolish the CIA and the Federal Reserve banking cartel, and then probably even more definitely, Andrew Jackson who accomplished this task, only to be sold out by those he saved. Who at least acknowledged, on their deathbed, their folly, in reference to Wilson.

Unfortunately any truly well intended president has likely been undermined and or defamed and perhaps even killed due to the those who would be sheeple over responsible people.

You yourself know very well of those who would take an easy road and take rather than take some personal responsibility for themselves and bring themselves to a respectable level.

Here I kind of reference those who wish to take from you for being self sufficient and successful.

What I wish people like yourself could see, is that just because they are blind and desperate, does not mean that they aren't also manipulated and oppressed.

I don't blame them for those in power who manipulate them, but I do challenge their clinging to their ingorance and weak dependancies.

Of which you yourself are only likely guilty of one, that is if you blindly see Obama as something different and beneficial.

Its not about left or right, nor the words or promises offerred by those who so loudly espouse "change".

But is is about those who continually lie and renig on those words and promises.

It is about the towing ot the line of war, profiteering, loss of rights, and general consolodation of wealth and power.

Ron Paul is the closest thing to my president, regardless of who was elected, selected, or blatantly put into office regardless of any process.

I myself cannot claim to know the reality of those circumstances, regardless of what seems evident or is officially or commonly expressed and perceived.

The reason for that, of course, is that the people, like myself, have not had actual access to anything close to truth for some time now.

The delusion of those who think otherwise, therefore, is the issue I can so easily and continually challenge.

Unfortunately, not enough people recognize this reality, and because of this, wonder why I act as I do.

I feel as if I'm being stonewalled !

Although our discussions have raised questions in my head more so about our liberties and there erosions ,so I've opened a thread here in Britain looking for examples.

To quote Glen Beck I cant 'debunk' what is said so I have to be open to the possibilities .
Although I still find your apocalyptic view hard to swallow.

I hope on this you can grant me and yourself a small concession

Stonewalled? In what way and by whom?

But if you're willing to be open to the possibilities, than you are alright by me. That was a main point of addressing you.

I just don't like it when I understand where someone else is coming, and take it into account, yet they refuse and even belittle the perspective I offer.

Because I hope your right, sort of. I hope the worlds tragedies are unfortunate accidents or just bad choices made with good intentions.

The sort of is because I also would like to think we would have figured things out a little better by now.

And when it comes down to it, I think many things have been, and that this endless war syndrome, endless lacking over abundance, overt and covert enslavement, and the dumbing down of and hiding truth from the masses is quite contrived.

When you watch through history, from more than just mainstream accepted history of any particular country or any such potential bias, you will see a pattern, that all the great wars and economic tragedies have continually had the same handful of beneficiaries who always gain more power and more wealth from them.

And since these things continue and it is these groups who hold the reigns of power and make the decisions to continue them, its getting hard not to notice. Especially when they are very evidently in a posistion to benefit from all of this.

Is it really that hard to imagine a "mafia" outfit of organized crime backstabbing and blackmailing its way into posistions of power and control?

Look at how it works in this film even, groups like the CFR, who openly call for one world government, being seeded through the halls of power.

Are they innocuous? Well, who do they want in charge, are they intending to protect my rights or allow me to?

The magic eight ball says, "fat chance". They are already trying to forcefully, both overly and covertly, ram their agendas down our throats.

Just as the project for a new american century headed by many of Bush's cabinet layed out their plan for global domination through American military force.

The same people who gave us the patriot acts and said our rights are not guaranteed and that the constitution is a goddamned peice of paper.

But there is just so much more and most of us are completely oblivious, often to the point of defending the wolves preying on the sheeple.

Our own jailers indeed.

Tell me Dionysius, you're a Brit, are you familiar with the "drills" being run on 7/7 of the exact events happenning at the exact locations and times?

Maybe Haven't had time to look into it though ,been busy with this maybe you should ,may take a few days of viewing to get through everything though

http://www.modernliberty.net/programme/morning-sessions/the-world-pictur
e

http://www.modernliberty.net/streaming-video

and thank you without you bashing me over the head with the NWO brick I may not have looked for this

Hello is anyone here !

Have you all been sent to detention camps my American friends/comrades ?

Yes, you are, had a business meeting out of town, for my excuse.

I argued with you a year ago about the whole obama bandwagon nonsense.

I guess you were a victim of nostalgia.

-Daneaothoc