Porn

Whats wrong with it?
Why do people seem to dislike it so much, openly that is.. and the women who appear in it are named as the most disgusting women, but the men in it are not.
They are having sex in front of people, Am i the only one who does not see the problem with it?
I wouldnt do it, and wouldnt like to watch my friends doing itbut if people who want to do it, do it whats the problem?


What are your views on it?

I don't watch porn mostly because most men that do exspect a lot of their woman and i don't think i would want those exspections put upon me.

Since I dont own a credit card or have a high speed internet connection even if I wanted to watch porn I couldn't. But it is always there. It seems that everyplace you go on the internet it will eventually give you popups or links to something pornographic.

The fist time I ever went onto the internet I was looking for my favourite sci-fi programme and one of the top results took me to a fansite based on pornographic short stories about the characters.

As for my own feelings or use of porn itself.

I don't find it much of a turn on because I find it just doesn't seem... "natural." The women have multiple orgasms as soon as the guy touches their thighs, and you know its all fake. Ontop of that it just seems so mechanical. There is no passion, no intimacy, no hugging or kissing, and no real feel of emotional involvement or joy from the "actors."

Love to me is the biggest turn on in sex. Without emotions or intimacy in the act of sex the act is bland.

So personally I dont find porn much of a turn on. If I were to watch porn I would choose something more real, like a couple who film themselves and are in love. But even then, Im sure they are acting up for the camera.

What do I think of others who enjoy porn?

I dont see anything wrong with porn in itself. The idea is fine. Two people who are enjoying the most beautiful thing life has to offer us as humans. I guess its a turn on to see an attractive, naked woman having sex. We as a society need to look at ourselves when we see it as totally fine to glorify violence, war, murder and suffering. But at the same time get all offended and angry when we see parts of ourselves that we all have. No wonder war is so prevalent and love is so hard to find.


BUT...

As Decius mentioned, porn has become so warped. I feel it is no longer about sex at all. Its now all about control and ego and all our inner problems coming out in the form of sex. I cant really explain it, but its almost like virtual rape. A rapist usually doesn't have sex for the act of pleasure. But because he has alot of problems with inhibition, guilt, self loathing, low self esteem, feelings of helplessness and sexual anxiety. And when they rape someone they are getting all those feelings out in the form of sex. I guess to associate something good and positive when they are having negative feelings and try to wipe the pain away inside.

And the way porn is today, it is the same sick objectification of women and dealing with your inner problems instead of focusing on joy and happiness. And people can just go online and vicariously get their nasty little problems out without actually raping someone.

I looked at a some porn sites before I wrote this and I have to say the thing i really protest about is that porn has mutated from normal sex to almost torture.

The people who write the site descriptions for the movies etc or the viewers who comment on the movies use language that is so degrading. Its really disgusting to see how pornography has made men and women have so little respect for each other.

Here is an example of the sort of general attitude toward females when I looked at porn sites.

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Tired of stuck up bitches that want gifts, dinners, money all of your fuckin' time and attention? Did you ever want to just want to find a little SUBMISSIVE fuck toy and fill her full of your man seed? I do just that. I pick up hot young whores off the streets. In clubs, supermarkets, the beach and off the streets, I wreck their young slick pussies and fill them full of my spunk. After I have these whores suck my cock and dump my sperm into their receptive cunts, I throw them back to the world to fend for themselves.These girls are willing to do anything to receive my spunk inside their hot tight twats. Maybe they think it's a ticket to the promise land, or maybe they just want to breed. Are they on the pill? Who gives a fuck. Protection. Fuck no. Do I have illegitimate children? Probably. This is the REAL FUCKIN' DEAL.

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And the acts themselves. They have changed from normal intercourse to humiliation. It seems that the more a girl is willing to be humiliated the sexier she is. I dont understand what the attraction to that is.

All this stuff about how many men a woman can take at once, or how much she's willing to be slapped around or called names, or wether its anal, or the new trend of gagging (making a woman choke on a mans penis until she throws up.)

I mean, that's not about sex. That's all about humiliation and degradation. And that is what I have an objection to. If pornography is going to evolve to the point of making women into less than human, then what's the point. I dont want to have sex with anything other than another human being who has respect for themselves. Sex is meant to be about pleasure and happiness. Not about being hurt or humiliated.

As for the women in porn being looked down on.


I hate the women for doing it because they are setting back women's rights. They want to be loved and needed so they do porn. But then they find to be loved and needed they have to go on step further and et themselves be humiliated. And because they are wiling to do that then men will keep treating them like that. Then more women will think that they have to act that way to get love an attention from men.

As for the men.

I hate them just as much if not more than the women. They are low lives and whores. Not studs.

BTW laylah, have you seen any porn yourself and what are your own views on it?

Chained, the guy in that quote is exactly the kind of person I wish didn't have a life. They don't deserve it. Portraying a woman like that is the most disgusting thing I can think of.

Everything that has been said are my thoughts exactly.

I personally don't care for porn at all for my own pleasure, but rather just like any other movie I see. Critiquing it like any other well made film. How well one can capture the essence of having sex. (I haven't found a video like that yet) I may skim around hoping I might find one that reminds me of such passion.

I think the reason why this sort of genre is going in the wrong direction, because the wrong people are in that industry; hot headed jackoffs preying on obviously desperate women.

If you see some sex scenes in hollywood videos. THAT is what a graphic porn should look like. You can see, hear, imagine the passion and love.

chained wings and mugan you guys are both correct i never really thought about it like that. I always felt weird when i used to watch porn (years ago) and stoped because i thought it was kind of fucked up (all the slaping and weird shit).

It almost as though the people who make this stuff want other people to exspect their feelings as true so they don't feel weird.

As far as the woman that make it and the men i don't know, they arn't making those the movies (they are acting) so i would blame the directors and others in the industry.

The actors and such, i'm sure are ok people and i don't think of the men or woman in the industry as slutty i just think they are trying to get by just like everyone else.

I watched a true life on porn stars and one of the guys said that everyone has there price and that if you got the talent and the looks why not use it models do the same thing. I think that is good attitude as far as i'm conserned.

Porn was actually defined at one time as mixing sex with violence and sex with a minor, other than that, portraying loving sexual behavior was considered art, free expression and not porn, but that definition however didn't last for very long as I recall, so now the portrayal of all nudity and sexual behavior is called that bad word, "porn" these days.

Since a porn internet has exploded, the amount of rape and sex crimes have decreased significantly, so, I would have to say it was a good thing.

RE: http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/

Porn is desired because it is considered evil, if we thought it to be natural it would become a bore, though curiosity might cause us to look from time to time, we quickly loose interest. But because it is considered sinful, so many of us become addicted to it.

I say it is good, look if you want to, you won't go blind.

To be completely honest on this topic, I do not enjoy porn as in the kind of people having dirty mindless loveless sex, that stuff makes me laugh/weirds me out, but I do enjoy "porn" in the sense of nicely done photographs of naked beautiful women. I think the female body is absolutely the most beautiful and perfectly formed piece of art on the planet.
I don't think of women as sexual objects which I think is everyone's problem with pornography. I enjoy the photographs of women by themselves. I don't even look at these things in a sexual manner, obviously it's a beautiful naked woman, and as a man who definitely appreciates beauty it's hard not to become turned on, but I am a person who is very much interested and involved in fashion and art and things of the same nature. I've always had a lot of girl friends and like to keep beautiful things in my life. Art on my walls, literature on my shelves, films in my player etc..
I think in that sense it can be simply an artistic medium. I can find the same, and do find the same pleasure out a picture of a beautiful flower, or a loving family of muskrats.. Unfortunately, however, it is very often misconstrued and also exploited because of the obviously/easily sexual nature of a nude photograph.
To be more to the OP's question, I think that the problem that people have with pornography is much the same as drugs, money, organized religion, government.... etc... they can all be beautiful things and do wonderful things for people, but when abused and done in ways that sway from the original purpose for more human motives they become animalistic and ill-natured. In the direct case of pornography I think the biggest problem with it is that it gives young impressionable females (and males) an easy out to make quick money and ultimately ruin their own feelings of self worth and self respect.
It's not that I think everyone in porn hates themselves, but I'm not sure that anyone in porn truly loves themselves.
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Why would you dislike yourself if you expressed your sexual nature even nude and with a partner?

I think we are taught that sex is wrong at a very early age and it seemed to carry on from generation to generation becoming a social norm. For example, we allow our children to see people fight, kill and die on tv but we don't let them see people make love, have sex, plant seed. Which is worse. Sex produces life and fighting produces death, so which should we allow them to see and why do we have it in our little heads that the act of sex is just so shameful that we dare not watch and hide it from the children.

By time we figure out that we have been tricked and deceived by this nonsense, we are old and gray and we dare not say anything because then we are thought of as a pervert.

Mass media seems to make the matter worse. When I was young in the Navy visiting french islands, nudity was perfectly natural, the young and old alike would just go nude in the sun, but I bet if I returned there today, it won't be so, except for a few hidden locations.

More and more I speak out for sex and freedom because somebody has to.

http://peacefulvet.info/blog/sins/

I only say that last part because I'm pretty sure that most of those people are absolutely NOT expressing any kind of love. Maybe it's different for some people but maybe I would record me and my girlfriend having sex, but I would absolutely not want anyone else to see it... and if it was with a complete stranger, well then.... it would not be making love!! it would be just the same thing as when a dog finds another in an alley and things happen between the two of them. There is nothing romantic about sex in pornography... not usually at least. Whoever said it about how in movies sex is portrayed the way it should be with love and partnership and all that great stuff was right.
But I definitely agree with you that we are taught from a very very very early age that our bodies should be covered and that sex is often a very bad and naughty thing to do. It is often hidden from parents and leads to many teen pregnancies. Such pregnancies could be completely avoided if instead sex was taught as something normal and beautiful and also something that shouldn't be taken lightly and that protection should be used at all times!

Well Fin, I do agree. When fighting and killing and dying is portrayed there is usually emotions involved, something happened, justice is being done, if not, well then it's a horror movie and meant to be scary. With sex, when it is portrayed, it should include love. Because this is a whole different subject. I've created a new thread.

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/80016/sex-and-emotions.htm

Porn = Proof of Repressed Nature,

How many different faces do you see when you search porn? millions upon millions, all want money, or fame, or both or neither. Female sexual freedom amplified.

None of the them are being forced, they volunteer to expose themselves and have their true nature set free, for what ever reason or emotion they are trying to express or have. If it was forced on them they would all be crying, and not orgasming their brains out.

It's like any other tool, you use it when you feel like it. The females involved are happy to be getting some sex, getting paid, and are trying to vent their demons, and express their freedom, all at the same time. These individuals are merely looking for acceptance.

Not every person with a camera is pervert, only the girls are perverts, and rightly so, for decades women around the world have be so repressed sexually that this avenue is their escape route and boy oh boy can they run ever so well. lol

So give it a break already, like everything else in the world it too will have its ups and downs, but right now it's just starting the long climb up the slope to its' peak, so if your a porn addict you're in heaven now, and if you're a porn hater you're in for a long silent ride. Sex is here to stay, and enjoying it is now the norm.

Hating it, trying to suppress it, being offended by it, and most of all labeling others who like it as perverts is now a thing of the past. Those days and ways of thinking are now dead and have no more power over its' influence and power. The woman's sexual revolution is here to stay forever and it a wonderful time to be alive, for its just gaining speed and more females are being made as you read, they already out number males. It's no longer supply and demand its now merely just over supplied, with a focus to continue on infinitum.

The shackles of female repression have been obliterated and the girls are out for a millennium of nights on the town. Like the song Boston sang during the lakers' demise in Boston, hey hey hey Goodbye. Goodbye to the generations of old, conservative, christian, prude, quaker thinking, and Hello to EMF's : Unbelievable song.

So sit back and grab a cold one and let it rain down the new era of helping the females express their true nature.... built for sex....! Loud, proud and shameless. More power to the women, may all your lost fairy tale dreams come true through freedom to express your natural sexuality for all to see.

These girls now will teach their offspring to follow their example and this is owed to the 80's single mothers children, and the divorced parents children of the 90's, this is the society evolving to a new paradigm and the removal of the brainwashed masses who were powerless due to the old system which held them in captivity via the radio and TV. Again Hooray for the internet. The internet is the lead box for the kryptonite that was the single avenue of wealthy media controlled masters.

Hooray for the females who CHOOSE to no longer be stepped on or used by anyone. Porn is the first step, and the tool these females are using to rid the planet of its suppressors. I say ha ha to those power mad control freaks, and they had better watch their backs because there is a new sheriff in town and it's in the form of sexual expression via the masses it has put down for so long... Just like the oil companies of today they are reaping what they have sown and it's all bout to collapse because it's their fate and that's another plus for the next generation.

Green energy and more ass than a toilet seat. woo whooo Thank you girls.

Nothing is wrong with pornography. There are problems with society, though. Select one or more of these that has an impact on pornagraphy and we can discover its relationship to porn, maybe. But, porn itself is not a problem.

I am posting the following quotation by Leon Trotsky because it explain well a concept that never occurs to some people before they post broad questions in a forum. I am not attempting to insult the OP by doing this, I simply like the way Trotsky puts it, and I would do well to keep what he says in mind, too.

'Dialectical thought is related to vulgar thinking in the same way that a motion picture is related to a still photograph. The motion picture does not outlaw the still photograph but combines a series of them according to the laws of motion.'

Have I seen porn Chained wings? yeah

Honestly it used to turn me on for a few seconds but then after that it makes me feel sick.. That is because it makes me feel ashamed of myself, but i think thats because of my own issues and complexes because of the religious upbringing i have had.
I have stopped watching it because i just dont like it anymore.
I think that if people want show themselves having sex, like how some couples do it, then thats their own choice, and if other people enjoy watching it, then so be it. I dont believe that women who partake in porn are insecure or seeking comfort, i think they are just willing to go beyond what society considers respectful for the money and maybe they enjoy it, how many people do you know who do porn? I dont know many so i wont make any assumptions about the women who do it, they arent sluts to me, and even if they are by societys definition of it, then so be it, I wont disrespect or look down on them, they arent hurting me in any way. Its their mouths, their bodies.. what they decide to do or swallow is up to them, if you dont like it, dont watch it. If they WANT to do it, so they can, if they dont, then i feel sorry that it had to come to that.
if they do it out of necessity or because of some complex they have, then i hope they sort it out and get better. But i wont hate them for it.

I know porn can be vulgar, and yeah as chained wings quoted that passage from a site, it shows us just one thing, how sick society really is. And it is jus a manifestation of what goes on inside peoples minds, its only on the net because those who put it on, know that there is a market for it. So it isnt the porn the way it isnt the internet... its other peoples sexual interests that bothers us

its actually us...
we cant accept or let be what other people find sexually arousing. Why should we? And why shouldnt we?
some people find sex with animals sexy, or the image of a naked child sexy... we look at it and say argh, sick dirty minded bastards, just the way they looked at homosexuals and said the exact same thing. Im not saying its the exact same thing, i dont believe it is, but im biased becuase of my cultural upbringing, but the reaction to it is exactly the same.. if you get me here.

I think there isnt anything wrong with sex, actually sex is badass... and if people want to watch other people having it. okay. whats the problem, there isnt anybody to stop them, especially in a secular country, no religious compulsion.
Porn is evolving and changing, i dont have a problem with it generally, some porn i dislike, i think its degrading and pathetic, but it justs shows how some peoples minds work in our society, and whether we like it or not, we cannot have a world in which everybodys tastes are as such that we approve of them.

porn is just like religion, it's there if you need it. So stop pushing religion on the masses it's as offensive as some sick porn.

and I thank you

I think porn can be a good thing is the form of that if you watch it and get to experience it, whether it's on a monitor or a TV it doesn't matter. If you get to experience it, it can be a good thing or a bad thing. Bad as is the way Decius has explained it. Good as in that the individual that is watching it can experience it without having to put the un-realistic expectations on their partner.

I feel it can be good or bad depending on the individual and how they perceive it.