Iraq War Alternatives

This thread is for people who have realistic alternatives to the war in Iraq. My idea is to increase intelligence spending so that the truly evil people are the only people who will be affected and mistakes such as bombing the wedding party or the funeral procession won't happen. Secondly, we could pull another Cold War victory by "westernizing" Iraq with our technology and allowing the oppressed people to see the better system we employ so they will rise up and their current political powers will lose their power.

As a world leader we need to clean out corruption in our own government, this means task forces of chosen and watched citizens pouring over classified information, especially in all financial aspects.

It's world policy makers that make war as opposed to civilians who are increasingly being watched while government decreases access to OUR PUBLIC office.

There is a pre-emptive war of aggression over the worlds resources going on, alternatives are a bit late.

Without an internal overhaul with preparations for and the occurance of our own and even the world's realization of the truth and horrors behind western intentions, even attempting alternatives would be no more than what we already have.

A government telling us one thing but doing another. Untill people aren't as ignorant it will remain, because even when the truth comes out about anything, its to easy for it to be ignored and replaced by the sounds of a trusted voice repeating a trusted message.

So again, my alternative is to find and expose the truth globally, then attempt alternative actions, otherwise we just wouldn't know what's broken or how to fix it.

The United States has already passed the point of no return in regards to Iraq. They must now pursue and complete the job in order to keep the peace. I think the only way this will resolve is in time. In a certain amount of time and when things start looking better, people will realize what the fighting was all about. We can now only think of things that will help speed up the process and end the conflict faster.

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In a certain amount of time and when things start looking better, people will realize what the fighting was all about.

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And what if that is found to be greed and lies as many facts of the matter would suggest?

Every country that is forcibly revolutionised will evenutally regress back to the 'good ol' days'.

I say we should have left Iraq alone, and instead made an effort to kill their one source of power, oil.

If the states had spent as much money on refitting their vehicles to run on hydrogen extracted from water as they have on this fruitless campaign, oil would lose so much value that the entire middle eastern block would have fallen into resession, except for those who were friendly towards the west.

The people in those countries would then see their political leaders as the cause of their suffering, instead of the trusty 'force against the infidels' they are seen as today.

But then again... we could have just nuked them all!

Good point leftwood. The corruption and lies like you said would need to be exposed. How are things anyway?

xanadoool it doesn't make sense to make the middle east poorer when poverty was a major problem to begin with. But, it's certainitely a more clever approach than bush's.

The middle east, poor? No. It's just that most of the money is in the hands of the few, just like everywhere else in the world, just more so. Look at Saudi Arabia, richest country in the middle east, and yet has the highest rate of poverty too.

If the rich lose their ability to create wealth through oil, they have to start spending their money on new endevours, and this means making some of the poor a little better off by creating new jobs, which in turn makes their friends and family a little better off, but as soon as that happens, they'll want more things. They'll start asking for more pay, better working conditions, then the rich have to choose one of two options, pay up, thus creating more uncontroled wealth, or hire new poor people, which only delays the inevitable.

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They'll start asking for more pay, better working conditions, then the rich have to choose one of two options, pay up, thus creating more uncontroled wealth

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If the wealthy are losing money, why would they give more away?

They don't give it away, but oil production has one of the best profit to employee ratios in the world.

By starting new businesses, more people will gain better incomes simply through the need for more employees.

The comment about the two choices is stating that if they do not improve the pay and conditions for these people, they will have no choice but to hire others when the people who want more leave for bigger better things.

More employees + higher employee turn over = more uncontroled wealth being distributed.

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They don't give it away, but oil production has one of the best profit to employee ratios in the world.

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Than what's the problem with the oil industry?

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when the people who want more leave for bigger better things

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In the middle east such opportunities are few and far between.

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"westernizing" Iraq with our technology and allowing the oppressed people to see the better system we employ so they will rise up and their current political powers will lose their power.

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I know you mean well. But it is not possible for everyone in the world to live like we do, the resources just aren't there. Because of China we are finding that everyone cannot drive a car because there isn't enough petro to go around.

For us to live the way we do, someone else has to be poor.

And really, it hasn't been a problem and nobody has been complaining until we started taking water, wood, polluting the sky and warming up the planet, because now we are making it impossible for them to be simple farmers as they once was long ago.

A solution would be for us to try mass transet, drive smaller cars and burn fewer light bulbs.

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"westernizing" Iraq with our technology and allowing the oppressed people to see the better system we employ so they will rise up and their current political powers will lose their power.

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As has been stated, Iraq is technically a wealthy country, but since before the days of even the word Iraq, westerners have been forcibly claiming that wealth, long before the days of Saddam.

And under Saddam Iraq was noted for its outstanding hospitals and general development.

My point towards the quote is that they were developing, but between the Iran Iraq war, and its western influence, through the subsequent Gulf wars, WE have destroyed their infrastructure, on numerous occassions as well as placing them under sanction from outside sources of needs once their own ability to provide them was soundly, and systematically, destroyed.

WE are the ones with the blood of reportedly 5 million children on our hands between sanctions and attacks and wars, pre 9/11 (minus Iran, though not without western influence).

Who knows what the toll is now, adding radioactive and chemical weaponsof ours, and retardedly superior general munitions and bombs. Lots of bombs.

Run this through your heads once, how would we react if our government told us one day that the "terrorists" they claim roam the U.S. have to leave and surrender their weapons, maybe someone goes public and says no, so our government bombs our cities invades the streets with military...

Maybe they stop and leave, maybe they impose some sanctions, maybe they bomb some more every now and then, and then maybe they just fully invade again...

Do you think any American citizens, especially those related to any of the comperable 5 million children, may just stop taking it and fight back? Maybe decide the government is wrong and put down the flad long enough to see it.

Those of you still stuck in the disinfo zone thinking that Iraq is fighting because of infadels to their religion on their land alone are sorely mistaken and simply buying what is being sold.

Middle eastern oil has great power indeed, but save Saudi Arabia, most middle eastern oil has been in the hands of western powers for over a hundred years in varied forms. Once it was by force and occupation, then puppets governments, then by corporate take overs, now its all of the above and then some.

Oil prices aren't up because of stress in the middle east, we now have more power and influence over middle eastern oil than before.

The reason oil power is not being replaced, say by hydrogen cars is because those in power are those who profit from oil and stand to lose power and wealth. Power and wealth you for some reason attribute to middle easterners.

The biggest players in the administration are oil/energy CEO/tycoons.

Get a clue.