How do we describe perfection - Page 2

so if we see perfection in the world do we not see heaven as we choose to see it

thats what hevean is. your perfection.

we as human beings will always see the imperfections in ourselves and other human beings therefore limiting perfection. we should not look at ourselves and those around us as incomplete or inperfect but how that person was made to be, or as a finished piece of artwork.we focus to much on what is perfect now instead of what is to be in the future. destiny.

so if they see thier own imperfections, do they not cause themselves to find perfections by making thier own world through wars to kill those that seem to them imperfect,
is that the destiny? is ppl that are imperfect the limit to perfection?
I'm sry if I'm to dramatic

Here one of my poems

Imperfect

I like being alone.
It means that if I fail,
I fail alone...
Appearances are just then a foreign entity.
I please the needs of no other
But mine own!

Paranoia does not become me!
The frenzied worry of rejection
They know well,
Guards no stolen chamber
In my bosom.

Instead,
The floor that was cast,
That foundation is at one with loneliness
It is comfortable too with imperfection
My imperfection
That imperfection that because of my humanity
Becomes me...

Frailty does not become me then
Because I accept my imperfection
And it is that not-so-perfect being
That makes me
The great, refined being
That others say I am
And that I too know I AM!

Perfection is when everything is just how you want it to be, and it makes you happy. it doesnt need to be beautiful.

Perfection is theoretical...

EINSTEIN said that it is worth striving for even though you will never achieve it...

It is a theorectical mental tool like "Akhams' Razor"

It is as theoretical as an Equal sign ( = )

Only a singular thing can be "the same"

Even to imply unchanging-ness would be theoretical.

If there are two... even clones... they are not the one same thing.

they are two.

Therefore not equal.

Only on paper... even then E = m[(c)2] breaks down on the macro - verse level... Einstein could explain where the missing "rest" of the universe went and was located after the big bang, (in the Background Radiation)...

He even devised a Universal Constant that wasn't accepted till after (long after) his death...

We use it in String Theory today..

But he couldn't explain why the formula broke down on the macro -level...

The Big Picture.

The Universality of your reality is that it is flawed...

Which means....

Micro -
Perfection = Perfection
Imperfection = Imperfection

Macro -
Perfection = Imperfection
Imperfection = Imperfection

So that Imperfection is the really more universal constant...

So that Imperfection = Perfection is the most ture statement.

This is just off the top of my head though.

Peace.

nothing is perfect because if something was itd be perfect at being imperfect.

What are "chooses"?? Just kidding I knew what you meant. I think we will never be perfect. I think trees are perfect in every sence. Mountains are perfect. I don't think we are perfect because we do make choices.

Awakendwraith.

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thats what hevean [suc] is. your perfection.

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PROVE IT!!!!

What if perfection didn't even exist and we presume perfection exists? How can we prove there is such a thing as perfection? We talk about Jesus being perfect in christianity. He wasn't perfect at all. Why do you think there is very little about his childhood in the bible. Because he killed children and then brought them back to life just for fun. Do you think people would follow him if those things were written in the bible?

We have cannot compare anything to perfection. It's like trying to compare the number 2 to the number infinity. We cannot ever comprehend infinity and therefore will never comprehend perfection.

We think trying to be good is trying to be perfect. But what people think are good things are relative to that person and therefore cannot be perfect. Because perfection suggests there are discrete limits to what is perfect and is not relative.

So if someone thinks eating plenty of food is good and someone else thinks eating lesser food is good. Which of these people are right? Which is closer to perfection?
It depends on what the person thinks is too much or too little.

I don't think I am explaining this too well, but I hope you get it intuitively.

If perfection is a an ULTIMATE then it is stagnant.

Perfection, in that sense, is boring. Think on this.

Yes, I have been thinking along the same lines.

If we were all perfect, we wouldn't have the drive to achieve greater things because we wouldn't need to. We would know everything there is to know and we would never encounter any big problems. Our existance would really seem meaningless then.

When it all comes down to it, we would most certainly have to be robots to be perfect, because personality and emotion have no place in perfection, they 'hinder' it far too much.

There is no such thing as perfect. All things are in motion, ever changing, never perfect.

^^^ You got it.

Saber, when you have drive things get done. With no drive - what happens?

I have total respect for wise people. Someone who predicts something accurately time and time again is wise - Nelson was wise (until he decided to wear his shiny medals on board and was a perfect target for the enemy). But there's something more important - the creative person - the person who can take a few bits and make something with it. Thats what pushes us forward.