commandments

If you're cristian, do you think that breaking some of the commandments can be justified? For ex. if you steal luch from a cafiteria cause the previous day they short changed you 10 dollars and wouldnt refund you, or if you couldnt afford it, or even if you did caus you had a ruff day didnt feel like waiting in the line to pay and it was only a small amount of money.. can that be justified?

as opposed to stealing someone elses car for fun? which shouldnt be allowed..


and does it depend if you are truly sorry or not

Stealing is wrong it is the job of the Christian to give food to those in need so that they do not have to resort to stealing. Your other reasons were all pretty lame, revenge is not a valid means of justification, nor is impatience.
If you were honestly sorry you would repay the debt owed

it wouldn't be revenge, it would be getting what you paid for yesterday. even tho. it can be veiwed as stealing


what im saying is that there isn't a very clear path on right and wrong.. it is all up to the knower to decide if something is truly right or wrong.. i guess god didnt have to say it cause we should already know when something is right or wrong

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it wouldn't be revenge, it would be getting what you paid for yesterday. even tho. it can be veiwed as stealing

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It would be revenge for them ripping you off.

Right and wrong is suprisingly clear except that people insist on over complicating things

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it wouldn't be revenge, it would be getting what you paid for yesterday

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The question would be why you didnt sort the problem out at the time.

What you have advocated is that 2 wrongs make a right.

The commandments are extremely black and white.

maybe analytical used the wrong example.
take this one: the bible states that you shouldn't lie,and it also states you should protect your friends (love thy neighbour).
suppose a man runs up to you with a gun and asks you where your friend is, he wants to shoot him (for whatever his reason) and you knew where he was, what should you do? according to the bible to lie would be wrong, and to tell him would be wrong, because it results in hurting and betraying your friend.

I was asked the same moral connundrum (sp?) in my Ethics class. In my opinion, there's only one way out of this: JUMP THE GUY!! Beat him up or get the gun out of his hands and somehow constrain him. He is obviously murderous and needs to be stopped by somebody! It's stupid just to let him go.
Haha, anyway, I think a better moral question is this: the ten commandments says it's wrong to steal, but your family is starving and the shopkeeper to a grocery store is not looking. Should you steal the food or not? (Note: I know that the Christian duty is to feed the starving, but not everybody is a Christian or follows all the Christian rules. Greed is a factor, too).

but who are you to judge? is it right to hurt him when he has done nothing to you. how do you know his anger won't wear off, and he'll change his mind and go home without hurting anyone?

The whole concept of "love thy neighbour" is to love all those around us because everyone is our neighbour. Jumping the guy would be wrong as would telling him where to find someone to hurt. One has to reason with this person and stop them from wanting to do harm.

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but your family is starving and the shopkeeper to a grocery store is not looking. Should you steal the food or not?

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The idea of community is easy. If one person lacks something with legitimate reason then someone should make it their business to help that person/family. Accepting that not all people are Christians fine but as you stated in another thread "Simply because you're hurting them. Is it really so hard to understand the difference between hurt and help? I think humans have common sense to know" so if they do not help then that ruins your whole common sense theory

Yeah, but unfortuantely, humans are imperfect. We don't always want what's right, even if we know what right is. Mean people suck, but what they do isn't subjectively right. They just choose to do wrong.

About jumping the guy, well, haha, you don't have to kill him or anything, just somehow physically stop him from hurting anybody w/o killing him or injuring him past some bruises and possibly a broken bone. And, transcend, if the guy was angry enough to load the gun and consciously decide to kill your friend then it's very unlikely he'll just change his mind. Even though he hasn't done anything wrong yet, he still has a gun in his hand and you have the knowledge that he wishes to hurt somebody. Try to talk him our of it, but still stop the guy with the least amount of inury as possible if he won't listen to reason.

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Yeah, but unfortuantely, humans are imperfect.

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They lack common sense.

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you have the knowledge that he wishes to hurt somebody.

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But he may only wish that because he lacks a better outlet of his anger

yes, but its not that simple what if you dont succeed, and he kills you and your friend.

Then you die, but at least you tried to stop it. Doesn't that happen all the time around the world? Life is unfair.

#1: Humans can still have common sense and be imperfect. The imperfection is not listening to the natural goodness and common sense that we each possess.
#2: That's why you try to talk the guy out of it first.

Violence is a final solution. If you must immobilize or kill him to keep him from injuring or killing other people then so be it.

yes but like i said before, why must lives be taken when theres a chance no lives will be taken.