A question for a devoted Christian. - Page 13

but we can not be unsinful. we will sin. its gonna happen. he made it impossible for us not to.

In the OT, angels visited Abram, he talks with them, argueing for the life of Lot. Yet, GOD is unchanging then how could GOD change the intent & actions unless that was the intent to begin with? David takes the Show Bread, a sin at least but was not accounted as such.

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but we can not be unsinful. we will sin. its gonna happen. he made it impossible for us not to.

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But we can be made clean by the acceptance of Jesus as our Saviours.

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Yet, GOD is unchanging then how could GOD change the intent & actions unless that was the intent to begin with?

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His personality does not change but His mind can. He would be very limited indeed if He could not change His mind.

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His personality does not change but His mind can. He would be very limited indeed if He could not change His mind.

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Actually I think the main stream Christian perspective runs like this: the ommi-presence of GOD knows (past tense) what we shall do pior to our coming in to this world; having foreknowledge (perfect) our actions come as no surprise so changing (altering) His mind is not necessary.

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Back to the concept of prefest destiny?

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Example:Lot & his wife are told to flee the city but not to look back. Looking back his wife is turned into a pillar of salt, if hse had not stopped to turn back she would have survived but the desire to return to the previous life style was her undoing.

if we have to be made clean,then we were indeed meant to sin.

In the begining there was no need for being made clean until Adam and Eve sinned.

God has the ability to know all things but sometimes He chooses to not know, He has the ability to be all places but there are places He chooses not to go, He has the ability to use all power but on some occasions He chooses to use less

if adam and eve sinned as the first to be created then obviously there was need.

No, we choose to sin. God gave us that choice. It is part of being created in the image of God.

Our choice has brought sin into the world, not God.

You see we can only experience true love if we have a choice not to love.

When we chose to call God a liar (he told us we would surely die if we ate the fruit, Adam & Eve said nonsense), sin entered the world.

Also God will NEVER violate our free will. If he had stopped Adam & Eve before they ate the fruit, they would not have been free would they!

Finally, sin means to 'miss the mark'. God set the boundaries in which we should live. When we violate those boundaries we miss Gods best for our lives. Gods best for us is far greater than we could ever hope or dream. God is the only one that knows what will make us happy (since he created us).

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if adam and eve sinned as the first to be created then obviously there was need.

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The only need was Satan's desire to destroy what God had made.

but as soon as adam and eve sinned there is now need to be cleaned.

Yes!

Sin entered the world when they part took of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil (right & wrong) according to the OT. one could point to Eve's acceptance of the serpent (Angel Satan) word over GOD's. On the other hand, they could have eaten of fruit of tree of life?

Had they eaten of the tree of life after eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil then there would be no hope for humanity. Which is why God guarded the tree and now grants access to those you come to it through Jesus

so why are we expected to follow all his rules, if we are also expected to sin?

God does not wish us to sin. We choose to sin.

Only Gods transforming power can give us the power to overcome sin.

Read Romans 7:7-25
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