So It's W - Not Jr.

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W.'s Stiletto Democracy

WASHINGTON - It was remarkable to see President Bush lecture Vladimir Putin on the importance of checks and balances in a democratic society.

Remarkably brazen, given that the only checks Mr. Bush seems to believe in are those written to the "journalists" Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Karen Ryan, the fake TV anchor, to help promote his policies. The administration has given a whole new meaning to checkbook journalism, paying a stupendous $97 million to an outside P.R. firm to buy columnists and produce propaganda, including faux video news releases.

The only balance W. likes is the slavering, Pravda-like "Fair and Balanced" coverage Fox News provides. Mr. Bush pledges to spread democracy while his officials strive to create a Potemkin press village at home. This White House seems to prefer softball questions from a self-advertised male escort with a fake name to hardball questions from journalists with real names; it prefers tossing journalists who protect their sources into the gulag to giving up the officials who broke the law by leaking the name of their own C.I.A. agent.

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Lets not missrepresent those who pay for the facts to be displayed in their favor, ignore the facts that don't.

Though we now see things thru a smokey glass, we will someday see things clearly.

What a piece of braiwashed propaganda - You actually subsribe to such nonsense? How fuuny!

Are you and that supid person who wrote that crap actually arguing that we dont have a free press?

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You're wrong Xris - we have a free press.

Here it is:

http://freepress.net/

I never said we didn't have one.

You keep putting words in mouth Xris.

I get the impression that you don't like MAUREEN DOWD, did MAUREEN DOWD do something to you or something?

"What a piece of braiwashed propaganda"

So what is untrue, or are you just making accusastions?

Oh, and are you one who believes Bush did not do cocaine and smoke pot? If so, why?

That proves that Bush is worse than Clinton. Clinton didn't inhale

Did Dowd write that? I should have known - she is such a sophistic thinker and often deceives her readers with misleading statements as she did with her piece on Gannon.

The point of her piece is basically that Bush opposes a free press here at home while criticizing the lack of it abroad. To make such an accusation with a straight face takes balls bigger than an elephant. Now you posted her stupid retort as if it were worthy of reading - so I ASSUMED that you agreed with it - if you don't I apologize even if I don't understand why you posted such nonsense.

"Oh, and are you one who believes Bush did not do cocaine and smoke pot? If so, why?"

I never said that - what I said is that there is no evidence that Bush ever did cocaine (I never mentioned pot). And now we know that Bush never did cocaine as the private tapes revealed and we know that he did smoke pot. I respect his motives for refusing to answer those questions SO MUCH - it reveals so much integrity and such a willingness to be attacked for doing the right thing.

What I don't respect are deviant nutcases that accuse a person of doing some crime when there is absolutely NO evidence to substantiate such an accusation!

Who are these deviant nutcases, doesn't matter, so what are these tapes revealing in the cocaine department, Bush saying he didn't do it?

There have been eye witness accounts (yes more than one) saying otherwise, including of him dealing is why I ask.

"I respect his motives for refusing to answer those questions SO MUCH - it reveals so much integrity and such a willingness to be attacked for doing the right thing."

Right, his motives being? PR damage control perhaps?

"Who are these deviant nutcases, doesn't matter, so what are these tapes revealing in the cocaine department, Bush saying he didn't do it?"

Why dont you listen to the tapes. Bush said that he refused to answer such questions because he didnt want to give young kids an excuse to follow in his path (i.e. Why cant I try pot - the President did it) but said regarding cocaine there can be no one that would come foward saying he had ever done it.

"There have been eye witness accounts (yes more than one) saying otherwise, including of him dealing is why I ask. "

You are once again wrong. There has not been A SINLGE PERSON that has come forward and said they either witnessed him using cocaine or selling it. NOT ONE. There were rumors but all were unsubstantiated (your kind of accusation).

"Right, his motives being? PR damage control perhaps?"

What PR damage? Clinton and Gore had already admitted to past pot use. Such admissions are not politically damaging. Like I said he believes that such questions about ones youth are truly inappropriate and two such admissions only give young people further excuses to engage in such activities.

"but said regarding cocaine there can be no one that would come foward saying he had ever done it."

Wow, thats a good answer to you? Sounds like a cope out dodge the issue answer to me.

Hey, no reason to get pissy, I was asking because I hadn't looked into this particular scandal of his too much, but thanks for the info, I would like to hear the tapes if you have a link or something.

The people I'd heard of telling of this were sister in laws and someone who went to school with him but refused to say anything on the record, which may have been debunked and may have been lied about either to begin with or in debunking, I wouldn't know, thats why I was asking instead of making accusations.

Wow, again though, so, when someone is accused of something and they do anything possible to avoid answering it, like you so heartily bitch about, unless its Bush, its ok to just shrug it off when they tell you no one will be coming forward about it? Thats assinine. Notice how he apparently didn't say no. Notice also how you fawn over his words.

"former sister-in-law Sharon Bush who claims: "Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either.""

"Other acquaintances allege that as a 26-year-old National Guard, Bush "liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine"."

"The Yale man told our CounterPuncher of his direct knowledge of young Bush selling cocaine in his college years. The Yale man adamantly refused to go on the record"

Just some of the stuff that made me ask.

"Wow, thats a good answer to you?"

In the context of his conversation it was, yes.

"cope out dodge the issue answer to me"

Why? He was speaking privately with a close family friend.

What you are thinking about is a Kitty Kelly accusation in her book that she attributes to a sister-in-law. The sister-in-law denies ever making such an accusation. Furthermore, Kitty Kelly also accused Laura of selling pot in her younger years. SNL did a hilarious skit on this. However, being that it is unsubstantiated and from Kitty Kelly no one has taken any of this seriously. Regarding any other accusation they are nameless and faceless - it remains rumors and hearsay.

Sorry I do not have a link to the tapes - I heard them on TV - I would check abcnews.com since they broke the story.

"its ok to just shrug it off when they tell you no one will be coming forward about it? Thats assinine. Notice how he apparently didn't say no. Notice also how you fawn over his words. "

Of course it depends on what is being asked - sexual harassment, rape, murder, burglary, treason, etc is far different than drug experimentation by young people. Are you saying you see no difference? Are you saying you have never smoked pot? Never dropped a hit of acid? Never shroomed? Never consumed alcohol as a minor? Never sped? Never ran a stop sign?

Right now people who smoked pot after college are not allowed to apply for a job in the Bush White House but those that smokde while in college are not prohibited. Don't you think Bush's drug policy here is more than reasonable? Don't you think Bush's answer to the drug question was extremely mature?

For one, a problem with your defensive argument is that how would you know he quit in college, how old was he when he was born again?

Was kitty kelley sued? Any chance that the sister in laws did make the statement to her, then recanted or lied? These aren't assumptions, just questions that deserve a fair answer.

When Bush says no one will come out about it, that almost sounds like a threat to me, especially when accusastions where made but no denials were issued, if thats correct.

"For one, a problem with your defensive argument is that how would you know he quit in college, how old was he when he was born again? "

That wasnt really my point - I was merely stating my opinion that that was a reasonable standard. Do you think it isnt?

"Was kitty kelley sued?"

I am not sure. Of course Bush couldn't sue her but Im not sure what the sister-in-law did. I do remember seeing her lawyer on tv.

"Any chance that the sister in laws did make the statement to her, then recanted or lied? These aren't assumptions, just questions that deserve a fair answer"

Sure - especially when one considers that she is no longer a member of the Bush family after the divorce. But again the problem is two-fold: one kitty kelly has no credibility and two the sister-in-law publicly denies the claim.

"When Bush says no one will come out about it, that almost sounds like a threat to me, especially when accusastions where made but no denials were issued, if thats correct."

You'll have to listen to the tapes - it definitely wasnt a threat. It was stated as if it was a mere fact thus he has no worries.

"You'll have to listen to the tapes - it definitely wasnt a threat. It was stated as if it was a mere fact thus he has no worries."

Indeed, but do you see what I'm saying, perhaps he wasn't being asked if he had ever done cocaine period, before or after college, but just to say that no one will be coming forward with the info? Thats still seems a little odd to me, but yes I want to see the context too.

"That wasnt really my point - I was merely stating my opinion that that was a reasonable standard. Do you think it isnt?"

That may not have been your point but it was one of mine, did he or didn't he, before and or after college, of course especially after, was there ever dealing involved?

Personaly I'm not too worried about drugs, but lying and weaseling, if it turns out that he did this on duty in the military like a claim would suggest, why he was apparently grounded, how he got in the guard over others as I've heard mentioned whether true or not, the Champaigne unit and all that.

Everything out there is a claim from our perspective, we cannot personally corroborate most information for ourselves.

History is written by the victor right, regardless of facts and truth.

I've heard of the the tapes - I don't know if I'd find time to listen to them, but where can I find them?