The Meaning of Living - Page 5

The Christians wanted to convert the Romans so that the Romans would stop killing them. The catacombs were evidence to the struggle of being Christian back then.

If you study history to see how America became America, you will clearly see that it cannot be purposely duplicated. Iraq will be Iraq, either we are for it or against it. Against it will be very costly in human lives and lost resources. To think that we can Americanize Iraq is an unrealistic self righteous dream based on not what is best for Iraq but us. We being selfish. I hope I won't have to say, "I told you so."

If I am correct, their neighbor, Aphganistan is a democracy.

If I do not err in what I have read where Iraqi's have prayed and hoped for the americans to take control, written by Iraqi's, Then I would suppose, it is their self serving prayers being answered.

I have never lived 30 years under rule of a hateful dictator. Nor did I ever have to worry if he would send my small 8 year old child out to commit a suicide bombing. Nor take my children and make examples of them before the nation, and have them executed in public. I never did have my brother thrown into a wood chopper head first as their entire body got grinded up.
Come to think of it, I never had to observe rape committed on a female friend, because they were an object of lust for the dictator's sons. I have no idea how frightening it is to live under these conditions, so as a self serving american, I suppose I would call it empathy.

The one I have no sympathy for would be Saddam.
Sorry Okcity, but the people are happier KNOWING freedom is on the horizon. And they have that right, as human beings.

Walk a mile in another man's shoes.

The answer is not war. We had other options. Though I will admit, If that first missle launch that started the war would have gotten Saddam, Mr. Bush would be a hero. I guess it just wasn't God's will.

If you want to know what Iraqi people think - Go to Iraq.net and here it from the Iriqis themselves.

". Nor did I ever have to worry if he would send my small 8 year old child out to commit a suicide bombing."
WTF do you have this warped view of reality or something?
Saddam is DIFFERENT from fundamentalists.
Saddam = evil secular socialist dictator
SECULAR.
He fought against Iran to contain the Islamic Revolution there.

No one doubts Saddam was evil, but for God's sake realize that there's more then one type of yellow skinned man. If you could realize that, you would see that this war has nothing to do with 9/11.

DT, I am NOT talking about 911 either.

Or didn't you know Saddam's regime insisted small children wear bombs in this conflict?

Yes, before we took over the city, I watched day and nigth as Fox News kept all the current information on as the war started.
They were using children as young as 6 years old...who the Americans debombed in some instances.

Sorry, I heard, and watched with my own eyes. Some things you do NOT forget.

And do you think Saddam's regime is the only evil regime out there?
Don't you think America would have been better off invading N. Korea where the American presence would have been wanted, back by S. Korea and would actually serve a real purpose in regards to fighting nuclear weapons proliferation?

There are a thousand evil regimes out there in the world, Bush through benevolence picked one at random and chose Iraq?
No, I don't buy it anymore, something is up (besides the clear strategic blunder of beginning this war).

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No one doubts Saddam was evil, but for God's sake realize that there's more then one type of yellow skinned man. If you could realize that, you would see that this war has nothing to do with 9/11.

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Thank you Dumbteen - I was starting to worry, I was starting to believe I was the only one who knew that. Them Bush TV ads are good. They describe Bush's war against terror and show pictures of our troops fighting in Iraq. I don't know who I'm more angry at. People being stupid or Bush being so crafty.

If small bombs were attatched to children. If we didn't threaton war then those children wouldn't be strapped with bombs, if we didn't go to war they wouldn't have to use them. What if they declared war and nobody showed up.

We have already killed more Iraqis and destroyed more property and valuables then Saddam. Saddam did it in the name of opression and we did it in the name of freedom and them people don't know the difference, they just know that they're not living a very secure life right now. Why? Is it Saddam, is it America? (no) It is because of oil. We are not the better or the greater, but only just as greedy. We had to go to war so that we could control all the oil, not the French, Russians and Germans.

Honestly - you and all other Christians who claim to follow Jesus. What do you think Jesus would say if they asked him if we should be pro war or anti war.

I think the whole reason you and other Christians support the war is because you have this picture in your head about the end of the world, and this means it is coming closer, and soon the great second coming you have hoped and lived for looks like reality. So you are optimistic and will ignore all wrong doings in support of this because of a hope you have in the future. I think that is great. But here is where I have a problem. I was fourteen years old and very much believed in the second coming. It would come before I could graduate from high school. I cried and pleaded with God and asked that he wait and give us a chance, because I didn't want to see anyone die.

Now I don't know what to believe for sure. But if I work to protect God's creations, then I am doing the will of God. Nomatter what happens, I'm not the one who will fear any judgement if there is one. Because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, I'm caring for what God created.

I don't know all the stories or reasons why we are at war. And I know that I had no feelings of war against the Iraq nation until the war started. I do know that I was for war against Osama on 9/11, but the Iraq nation is not the same person.
But now that the war has been aroused, I have found things that persuade me to agree that Iraq needs to change. Suicide bombs in cars and on children are one of those reasons. Even though it was a war that we started that got the bombs on children, it is a sick and twisted mind that is putting them on the little kids.
War might not be a nice way of doing this, but I do know that some how, this crap has to stop.

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if we didn't go to war they wouldn't have to use them.

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IN reference to strapping bombs on children...?

EXCUSE ME...WTH DID I JUST READ??? YOU ARE EXCUSING THIS BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WE ARE FGHTING THE AL QUEADA??
OMGOSH....HELLO PEOPLE, DO YOU REALISE YOU ARE OFFERING EXCUSES TO COLD BLOODED MURDERERS?

I did not just walk in here and see this ....tell me you do NOT believe that.

You are so caught up in anti-war sentiments that you would give reason for the disgusting behaviors from these morons?

You need to re-evaluate just what you think you know about.

YES 911 was by Osama...and he did the financial backing. BUT what country is Bin in anyway?
Arabia kicked him out LONG ago.
Does he have fellow 'buddies' to help him orchestrate?

You sit here like armchair hero's spewing how awful america is for doing this....
Hey Dumb and oK city, no disrespect, but you guys need to live a year over there under Saddam and then come back and tell the tales.

As for the website of Iraqi's....must be the affluent who can afford the systems and computers who are chatting with you...or something.
Osama and his brigade have the finances to obtain puters. The average joe in Iraq does not own the sophisticated systems we take for granted.
I believe they are way expensive. Living under a dictator, they also normally screen what someone can see and how they may communicate. Please DO NOT be so niave.

SO, if they are freely expressing themselves, then I would vouch they are not in Iraq.
IF they are expressing themselves to 'back up' Saddam, and against america, they are either thugs, or extremely afraid they are being monitored.
Remember this, my friend...they are in fear of Saddam returning to power. NO if's and's or but(t)'s. and NO kidding.

You will not hear them sigh relief til Saddam is forever gone, and all his regime....and thugs who are on a current mission to free Saddam. O yeah...you wont get the truth from that Iraq site. Sorry, but thats the truth.

Now about Osama....who has the means, the land and the reasons most likely to help the renegade?

Aside from that....where are the Al Quaeda who did 911 stationed?? Besides cells in america?...O YEA...IRAQ!!!

Look folks, not meaning to be so abrupt, but think about it.

911 happened, and Saddam although nothing prooven in anything about his connections to Osama....does NOT mean he is NOT connected.
And if we walk away from Iraq, there will be a huge mess.

Kerry's a treasonous traitor...but hey, let's vote him for president. Why not, had one of those sorts before. .

I really believe in my heart the comments where calling opposing views ....."stupid" was totally uncalled for.

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People being stupid or Bush being so crafty.

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"You sit here like armchair hero's spewing how awful america is for doing this....
Hey Dumb and oK city, no disrespect, but you guys need to live a year over there under Saddam and then come back and tell the tales."
Do you think Saddam is the only evil bastard out there?
N. Korea would have been a better target, they're trying to have nukes and the people are starving over there.
Do you think Iraqis are any better off now?
Given the ongoing and increased fighting I would think not.

I wish people would stop thinking that anyone is defending Saddam or don't want to help the Iraqis. The fact is, we aren't helping them.

Parish - Your reading things that aren't there. You're not talking about me. I never excused Saddam.

LISTEN UP. SADDAM LIVES AND THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS HAVE DIED BY THE HANDS OF THE AMERICANS.

Ok - That's facts - I haven't excused anybody.

Did I mention that Saddam is still alive.

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YES 911 was by Osama...and he did the financial backing. BUT what country is Bin in anyway?
Arabia kicked him out LONG ago.
Does he have fellow 'buddies' to help him orchestrate?

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Osama is from Saudia Arabia and he fled to Afgan were we believe he still might be. There is only evidence that he visited Iraq. Traning camps have been found all over the world. Saddam and Osama were rival enemies. Going to war and having our troops stationed in Iraq isn't going to help us catch Bin Ladin.

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but you guys need to live a year over there under Saddam and then come back and tell the tales.

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I can say the same about you. I was talking to a friend of mine who is in the Air Force reserves. He was over there for a week. It's a hundred and fourty degrees in the shade. Why do our young men and women have to spend another day there, away from their home and in danger of being killed. I love each and every one of them and I'm ashamed that most of them didn't get to come home for Christmas. I'm supporting them. I'm going to do my best to try to get them back home were they belong as soon as possible.

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As for the website of Iraqi's....must be the affluent who can afford the systems and computers who are chatting with you...or something.

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There are internet cafes being set up in all the major cities of Iraq so that all Iraqis have an opportunity to communicate with the rest of the world. At Iraq.net you can read from Iraqis who are pro American, but unfortunately, that is becoming more and more difficult to find.