Does the goverment have rights to penalis those it - Page 3

Well, let us see, hmm . . . instead of the present systems of polotics what if . . .the representatives we voted for were more like sensus takers, whose purpose is to present an accurate & objective debate on the issues to the local population then inact laws & legislate by determining the will of the people?

quote:

---

I lived in Springfield, IL. I watched a strange thing happen one winter, I think it was 1975. A blizard shut Chicago down. Chicago turned into Hell. Fires raged everywhere as people were fighting, stealing, starting fires and killing, turning over cars busses and trucks. I'm thinking to myself, "power to the people." What the hell happened.

---

what happened was that freeing the slaves didn't get the job done. they found it neccessary to disrupt the flow of capitalism before they actually started to acknowledge their rights.

the system u just descirbed is what this goverment is "SUPPOSDED" to be doin just now, isnt that what democracys about

Yes we are suppose to have certain GOD given rights, but you have to take those rights (back?) from those who govern in order to secure those rights for yourself. They aren't giving you a damn thing but a song & dance routine.

quote:

---

Well, like Kevo already explained, a TRUE democracy would actually, to put in nice terms, completely suck ass.

---

But what really sucks a big one is capitalism. The world devided into classes, based upon material wealth. It has the same failings as imperialism or monarchies only on a broader scale.

all goverments have there gd points and there bad points, communism: bad= takes away privatly owned bussnises good= abolishes alienation between social classes

democracy: bad=its hard to get things done wen u have to go by the majority vote good= gives people freedom of speech and so on

facism: bad= minimalises the rights of the individual goos: keeps control through out the state


the incidents never occurd because of the freeing of the slaves, if the goverment hadnt made them slaves in the first place and just leave them be then there would hardly be any of those events

the goerment is made up of humans, these humans are under the same human rights law as we are... no GOD given right. Take away these human right laws and the goverment are as liable to be lynched as anyone else..exept....they have a vast militaristic resource and we have only revolutionaries and partisans.

hey I am not augueing with you, I see these things too.

quote:

---

Edit: None given , none taken.

---

sorry never meant it to sound like u were, i just elaborating on wat ur were saying

how could you say that fuck all governments with out governments humanity would be a light in the dark never able to see its full potential we would be a lost people living in caves afrade of our own shadows with out strong political leaders we will never git better as a hole but there milatary is made of people who take orders put still without those people who chuse to take orders the people in power luse power so without us they are nothing it is people who make the government what it is dont be mad at the gov be mad at the people who run it.

You need to read up my friend :
"all goverments have there gd points and there bad points, communism: bad= takes away privatly owned bussnises good= abolishes alienation between social classes"
Nonesense under soviet communism there were clear cut classes. Peasants, labourers, friends of party members and members of the Party.


"democracy: bad=its hard to get things done wen u have to go by the majority vote good= gives people freedom of speech and so on"
And can lead to the most efficient and economically powerful nations while at the same time wealth is distributed more evenly then other govs.

"facism: bad= minimalises the rights of the individual goos: keeps control through out the state "
What do you mean control? A democracy's army can control as a much as a fascist one.

Democracy is the only system which ( once up and running) insures stability, order, liberty affects the most people. Other ideologies are either economically impossible and lead to personal dictatorships (communism, miltary gov) or are abherations of history like fascism.

Of course we shouldn't stop looking for alternatives, though for now at least, democracy is #1 in almost all regards.

if ull rmember that was "soviet" communism... for a goverment to run ina stable way it requires the right dedicated people, hitler stalin mussolini are all cases were the rong person got in charge. Even democracy can become totalitarian under a some rulers. All goverments are the same they cannot suplly the full needs of the individual, and u can say all u want that its the majority and the safty oif the majority that count but unless 100% of the population are happy the goverment aint perfect and never will be while the political system has such vaired and split veiws... oh yeah wen was the lst time a democracy snet its army into the streets and shoot, arrest and destroy rioters and there familys?

are u trying to tell me that there is no gd points in facism or communism?

Fascism sucks, fascists never had powerful economies (Germany, Italy) and yet have an ideology which encourages militaristic expansion. Bad economies and military adventures don't mix.
As for communism.. It can be better in certain cases, these cases are those in which democracy cannot exist : ones in poor and unstable areas. In those areas sometimes blind obedience can help. But in any of our already develloped nations, communism would only hamper our economies.

I still say the honor system would work =D

im not saying that all governmens are good or bad im saying that without the government there would be no order or structure it would be chaos every purson doing what they want when they want to do it what do you beleave the best way for people to self-govern them selfs is? but even though hittler and stallen had there flaws still they were able to do some thing good for there contrey in one way or another there will alwas be a govering party.

nazi facism if u will recall had a bursting economy, the reason they could afford to spend so much on an almost brand new military and invasion projects of all the countrys it took. Communism i agree takes time, its economy would stay stable untill it increased with better standards of living and so on. The difference of communist russia and nazi germanys economy can be clearly seen to out weigh that of democratic britain at the time of the ww2, and dont forget it was due to democracy, weimar goverment, that germany went into hyperinflation