Cain and Paul - Page 2

It is interesting how politics works. If by 'stunt" you mean grandstanding well you may be right. I didn't see the whole debate, just caught some sound bites. Never the less he is saying what I want to hear. I for one am sick of the old republican guard and the class warfare mongering democrats whose efforts always wind up raising the cost of living. While promising the opposite.

Cain is a self righteous asshole. He's everything bad about conservatives without any of the pro's. He isn't a true conservative. He's just a dick. also 9 9 9 is laughable. A grade schooler could have came up with a better plan.

I guess I'm still naive but I cannot believe we have to choose between Romney and Cain.

Romney seems better than Cain but not someone I want to lead our country because he has no moral compass he just says what he needs for votes....lets not forget about Romney care. However I do think he would be a good choice to put America back on top as far as economics are concerned but at what price?

Paul is the only honest one of the bunch and sadly substance and the ability to govern doesn't count for shit when the majority of voters put as much thought in who should be president as whether they want a Big Mac for lunch or Fried chicken......

I think Romney would be the republican nominee however I wouldn't vote for him without Ron Paul as vice president.

We all know political games must be played, however we should do our best to remain morally in the right.

Also Thanks Everyone for Voting in someone worse than Bush.

Let's see.......where are those shovel ready jobs? Shovel ready and still not ready after 3 years?

He's going to end the war!

Wait.....we invaded and bombed yet another country.

It's clear he has done nothing but exponentially accelerated the Bush agenda.

Hope and Change.

I'm glad a good slogan and nice smile was all it took for you all to let loose the worst political infestation since Mr. Lindon Johnson....You can thank him<a democratic socialist> for going to war with Vietnam.

Cain is a self righteous asshole. He's everything bad about conservatives without any of the pro's. He isn't a true conservative. He's just a dick. also 9 9 9 is laughable. A grade schooler could have came up with a better plan.

I guess I'm still naive but I cannot believe we have to choose between Romney and Cain.

Romney seems better than Cain but not someone I want to lead our country because he has no moral compass he just says what he needs for votes....lets not forget about Romney care. However I do think he would be a good choice to put America back on top as far as economics are concerned but at what price?

Paul is the only honest one of the bunch and sadly substance and the ability to govern doesn't count for shit when the majority of voters put as much thought in who should be president as whether they want a Big Mac for lunch or Fried chicken......

I think Romney would be the republican nominee however I wouldn't vote for him without Ron Paul as vice president.

We all know political games must be played, however we should do our best to remain morally in the right.

Also Thanks Everyone for Voting in someone worse than Bush.

Let's see.......where are those shovel ready jobs? Shovel ready and still not ready after 3 years?

He's going to end the war!

Wait.....we invaded and bombed yet another country.

It's clear he has done nothing but exponentially accelerated the Bush agenda.

Hope and Change.

I'm glad a good slogan and nice smile was all it took for you all to let loose the worst political infestation since Mr. Lindon Johnson....You can thank him<a democratic socialist> for going to war with Vietnam.


If you think socialism is good....here's a few socialists.

The USSR/ Russia
Nazi Germany
China < they attacked peaceful Tibetans

Socialism we all get given something! Who cares who/where it comes from as long as it ends up in your undeserving pockets right?

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Paul is the only honest one of the bunch and sadly substance and the ability to govern doesn't count for shit when the majority of voters put as much thought in who should be president as whether they want a Big Mac for lunch or Fried chicken......

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mutnuaq,

Of course I do not agree with your sweeping remarks about Cain. That said I see you're onto something about Paul. That is the problem with him and yes, the populace does seem hell bent on remaining willfully ignorant concerning this. But Cain is willing to do something significantly drastic where as the others we just get more of the same. Romney is a socialist thru and thru. Plastic as can be too as you alluded. So why consider him? The best chance we have for Paul is to get him in on the vice ticket. Cain is at least sincerely more open to Paul's ideals then the other knuckle heads. And no matter how bad you think 9 9 9 is it has to be better then the slow death the career politicians have sold us out with. Frankly, I'd rather go quickly then continue this slow death we will get with the others. I think it's now or never and once we sink into the realm of an improvised nation all other issues become moot. As dreams die.

Lying? Or open to criticism? Depends on how one wants to see it.

Honestly, do you really think Ron Paul has the support to be on the top of the ticket? If someone can convince me Paul can pull it off rather then trashing the other candidates he would have my vote in the primaries.

I really don't like Cain. He is everything bad about the right wing. He seems to be an extremist and extremists from any wing is a very bad Idea....

As for 999 or 909 it's still nonsense and could you imagine the litigious nightmare with such a childish Idea? It simply wouldn't work....the tax code/ enforcers are a machine/entity on their own and that alone could make his chance for election just that much more unlikely.

I definitely don't want to keep Obama in office because it's pretty clear that he is fast tracking the Bush agenda while simultaneously pushing all sorts of counter productive policies that only eat up our dwindling supplies.

This reminds me alot of the Obama/ McCain decision that had to be made in 08.

Obama was an unknown to most and didn't believe fundamentally transform the country was a literal remark or which way he wanted to transform it.

And for McCain well....if anyone remembers McCain FienGold bill which made the funding for elections even more screwed up...

There was also the McCain Kennedy which would have granted illegals citizenship

.<I personally believe that citizenship should be made much easier for people of value to the country while simultaneously cracking down on border security which is a totally separate issue considering the border is dangerous because of the drug cartels not the Mexicans sneaking in for manual labor jobs.>

However......

Nominating McCain was a retarded nominee because he helped create some retarded bills that were either destructive or he alienated most of his base, he was for a number of reasons one of the worst possible choices to run.

But as to how that relates to Romney.....well he's not a conservative and he had an even worse healthcare plan and has proved time and again that he just says what he needs at the time.....he's like a republican Kerry <I guess the stupid term used mostly is...."flip flopper"

However he has an excellent business track record but with that he also basically stole money from one of his hospitals..

If Paul Can't secure the Nomination or at the very least get on a ticket of Vice President I think we may be in for another 4 years of crap.

The only choice then seems to be the same choice every year......who sucks the least.

I'm mostly prolife. However Mr. Cain believes that victims of rape incest and when the birth of the child puts the mothers life at risk should be forced to have the baby. He actually said this. Not just that he was completely prolife.
He was asked those specific things flat out and he said that they made no difference to him.

BTW I believe his name is John Huntsman or something like that....he seems like a decent choice however he's at like 1%.... I guess we still havn't moved on past the tourist stage of political participation amongst the general public.

On a side not I'd also like to say that the whole tourism feel to the protests reminds me of when the tea party became....wierd? ...not credible?

The tea party had some good ideas but there was no clear agenda other than we don't like whats going on in Washington. Then it got hijacked and people were so hooked on the aspects of it that are attractive to people with boring lives....sorta like tourism, that they didn't seem to notice or care. I guess because their cause just kept growing and growing they assumed they were winning/doing the right thing and never stopped to think or listen to what their representitives were actually saying.

As for the tourists at all the protests around the country, they are going to be the downfall of the protests and like with the teaparty. They will make the protests look stupid/bad to the point people forget/ don't want to be envolved with the agenda that drew them all together in the first place.

An agenda by the way both shared by the early teaparty and the wall street protesters/
End the corruption on wallstreet and in D.C.

People should stop allowing themselves to be polarized by the duocracy we have in place. Ignore the less important issues and focus on your "core" desires for this country which for Both groups is end the corruption in D.C. and wall street.

Nothin like a good scandal when ya need one. At least Mr. Cain shouldn't be an issue much longer.

Everyone Thinks Ron Paul is Right

Former CIA specialist and contributor to The American Conservative Philip Giraldi had some interesting insights today into just how much headway Ron Paul and his message is making with a broad spectrum of Americans:
'I had two interesting experiences over the weekend, totally unrelated to the non-event of Hurricane Irene, which only dropped an inch of rain on northern Virginia. On Friday I went to dinner with a mixed group consisting of the women who are in my wife's quilting group together with their husbands. All of the men were in their late fifties-early sixties and everyone but me and my wife was an evangelical Christian... Two of the men have been prominent in local Democratic Party circles and the remainder vote Republican. All agreed, to my surprise, that the US economy is broken and that it is the result of the wars and globalism that have marched together hand in hand over the past ten years. They also all agreed, even when they do not support specific policies, that Ron Paul is the only honest man running for the presidency. Which is not to say they all would vote for him, but the approval rating was 100%.'

Mr. Giraldi then moves on to day two of his weekend:

'On Saturday we had a reunion lunch with the CIA Rome Station class of 1980. The last time the whole group was together was shortly before the 2008 election, when everyone but me and my wife indicated that they would be voting for McCain-Palin. This time around it was different... I was kidded about my Ron Paul bumper sticker but everyone was quick to add seriously that Paul was the only honest man running, that he had predicted the economic collapse, and that his message has been consistent. They even agreed emphatically when I quoted Paul's pledge to bring the troops home from overseas on the day after he is elected. This is coming from Cold Warriors, mind you, men and women who spent careers doing without question whatever their government asked them to do. Again, no one said they would vote for Ron Paul but nor did anyone say they would not.'

Giraldi concludes:

'Which is all to suggest that maybe something is actually going on in the body politic, that people are willing to listen to Ron Paul even though four years ago they would have thought such an idea ridiculous. And he has a passionate base of supporters. Do you remember the scene in the Godfather where Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) sees a Cuban rebel die for his cause and realizes that the insurgents just might win? Recent opinion polls seem to be saying the same thing. Whether or not Dr. Paul can actually win the presidency, his ideas about the state of the US economy and Washington's catastrophic foreign policy have reached the mainstream and are resonating.'

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