Same Sex Marriage Should Be Legalized Worldwide! - Page 4

lol. No need to dumb anything down - my judgement's sound.

1. Homosexuality is fine
2. The point to marriage is there to conceive and raise children
3. Homosexuals ca't conceive children
4. Homosexuals may or may not raise children properly; but if there is doubt why spoil a perfectly normal child for the sake that homsexuals think they can do the job.
5. Add them all together and homsexuals cant marry.

A law is layed if an act can do damage to oneself or others.

Some contestenats in American Idol were born with the musical talent of a chicken with a cleft palet. And yet in there heads Mariah Carey comes booming out when they open their twisted beaks. Some sensible person puts them straight and says they can't sing. Its for their benefit - they could put all there energy into something they are good at. But had someone had the balls to say you can't sing at the start they wouldnt have gone on national tv to embarres themselves in front of the nation. But hey - no harm eh - lets just live in pretence and look its all rosey - everyone's doing what they want. Well no and errrm no. That kids now wasted a lot of time and money and to add to it all their friends take the pi**. Result!


Same deal except with gay marriage the harm is transferred to those who did not make the decision. Law is a judgement between reality and delusion - sound law works and the current system isn't broken.

Maybe I need to help you out a little bit.


Where dop we stop?

Some people favour polygamy. Shall we allow one man to have 10 wives if all those wives agree? Hey; what if he marries 5 men and 5 women. That should really help their kids out.

Some people believe in snorting cocaine. Shall we say thats ok ?

Can you imagine? Daddy did daddy this morning whilst snorting some cocaine in the street. My other daddy wants to take me to his friends house where we can talk about gucci and prada. My other friends at school all think I'm strange that daddy doesn't go to watch football and all the other daddy's don't like him because he might influence my friends. And my friends don't like me because of this - they punch me at lunchtime. But number 2 daddy says this is ok - they're all just big bullies and to ignore them and go play with my dollies.




Marriage isn't just religious is it? Even if it was - it would operate under the rules of that religion. The economical system changes according to your *marital status* and so by virtue does law. Some people have official marriages in the UK precisely to have themselves married not under religion, but by an official recognition of law.



Maybe you need some stronger glasses. There was aprogramme called man about the house - I'm sure there's a reason it wasn't called queer about the house.

There is a serious point to this; this is reallty just a glint compared to real problems. Some are poor; some are beaten (if you look carefully there is a reason why they are beaten - everyone is a product of their own history). Some are so helpless the people trying to help them have little fath. I'm not American, I'm British; but really that's trivial. Our future is our kids. We need to make the best of now - and that means bringing them up happy and stable.

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2. The point to marriage is there to conceive and raise children

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Your point to marriage is to conceive children, it is not our point. I've been married twice now and neither time was to have a child.

I know couples who have no children and don't plan on having any. You're foundation is cracked from the beginning, but that's alright though, because it's yours, and you have that right to believe as you will, but you don't have the right to force the rest of us your way by creating laws that seem right to you.

There are terms for such things, "One Way" "Narrow Minded"

If 1000 lions with big white teeth charge at you you don't say: look at those 50 lions; they look alright dont they?

You think too hard okcitykid - simplicity is brilliance.

Wikipedia:

Marriage is an interpersonal relationship with governmental, social, or religious recognition, usually intimate and sexual, and often created as a contract, or through civil process. Civil marriage is the legal concept of marriage.

The most common form of marriage unites a man and a woman as husband and wife.[1][2] Other forms of marriage also exist; for example, polygamy, in which a person takes more than one spouse (marriage partner), is common in many societies.[3] In some jurisdictions marriage has been expanded to include same-sex marriage.[4]

The reasons people marry vary, but usually include one or more of the following: legal, social and economic stability; the formation of a family unit; procreation and the education and nurturing of children; legitimizing sexual relations; public declaration of love.[5][6]

A marriage is often declared by a wedding ceremony,[7] which may be performed by a religious officiator, through a similar government-sanctioned secular officiator, or (in weddings that have no church or state affiliation) by a trusted friend of the wedding participants. The act of marriage usually creates obligations between the individuals involved, and in many societies, their extended families. [citation needed]

2 reasons then really:

Between one another and then my point.

The second point is the one that matters - where the choice of two or more people affects more than themselves - i.e. kids.

The majority of homosexuals believe they were born 'gay.' This belief often supplies them with comfort, relieving them of any responsibility to change. However, there is no solid scientific evidence that people are born homosexual. The overwhelming majority of gay people are completely normal genetically. They are fully male or female.
We believe homosexuality is learned behavior which is influenced by a number of factors: a disrupted family life in early years, a lack of unconditional love on the part of either parent, a failure to identify with the same-sex parent. Later, these problems can result in a search for love and acceptance, envy of the same or the opposite sex, a life controlled by various fears and feelings of isolation.

One thing that does seem clear: homosexuality is brought about by a multitude of root causes. It is simplistic thinking to lay the blame on any single area. Fears of the opposite sex, incest, or molestation, dominant mothers and weak fathers

etc.

so i say no to same sex Marriage.

Marriage is just a word... You don't need to be married to love someone or raise a family. What gay people want I assume is legal equality. I doubt any homosexuals are arrogant enough to expect cultural equality, at least not right away (not to say that it's too much to ask, it's not.)

The fact is, marriage has social benefits. There have been cases
where disputes over a loved one's possessions (deceased) were up for grabs by not-so-close relatives when it was very clear to anyone who knew the deceased that they would have wanted their things to go to their gay partner. Controversies like this could easily be prevented if marriage wasn't barred to the gays.

I myself have the opinion that the government shouldn't support institutions such as marriage in the first place (it's not very secular.)

I say civil unions for anyone who wants their union to be recognized by the government and marriage for those who want to be recognized by God.

Yeah...I like that: Marriage IS just a word. But worse than that is it's a "biblical" term. Truth is, the word marriage should be removed from legal terminology. Only religious doctrine defines "marriage" as between a man and a woman and, therefore, the definition should not be acknowledged in a court of law. Only a "union between two consenting adults" should be considered. If people want to be regarded as "married" in the "Eyes of God" they can go to any church and have it defined according to thier faith.

I say love is love and if two people love each other and want to live together in a equal and loving partnership that is a good thing. I personally don't like the image of two people of the same sex engaged in a sexual act, but that's my problem noone else's.

Look there are many supposedly normal male/female relationships that are not working, are not loving and are abusing children both physically and emotionally.
If a child is in a happy, loving home then family is just a word to describe that environment and I would want to see a child in a happy, loving family environment whatever shape or form that takes rather than with a mum and dad who are screaming and shouting at each other all day long and perhaps beating the crap out of each other and their children (conceived naturally).

For God's sake if a child is going to be born into an unstable abusive unloving family, then adopt it into a safe, loving, stable homosexual marriage by all means - I know which in my mind is going to nurture a healthier, happier child!

Sorceress you have summed it up right at the end:

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to nurture a healthier, happier child!

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I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm pleased to see some rational thought in the last few posts.

I'm confused about homosexuality. homosexuals will say they were always that way, always inclined to the same sex. if that is the case, then allow the marriage, thyre going to do it any way, and the number of homosexuals is minor. so let the rest of us reproduce if thats the upsetting part for you, oh no, they wont conceive children. its not like we're running out of people having sex and producing babies. and if they want to adopt, so what, like people havent been raised by one parent, who happens to be one sex and turned out to be good stable individuals. Yeah if people are going to be homosexual then why not allow them to get married?

but then again i ask a homosexual person to come foward and tell me, did you always feel attracted to the same sex, or did it happen later in life example when you went for university?. i believe all us hetrosexuals cant understand it as well.

I'm going to find the nearest concrete wall and bang my head on it.

I didn't know about gays when I was 8. Yet when I was 8 I bought a takeaway. And I saw two men kissing outside the shop. They made me drop my takeaway.

Today gays are more acceptable. And this is good and bad.

What's bad about it is that they can't marry. That isn't a problem but it implies stability and soon, its already happening in the UK, gays will adopt children.

That's not healthy. It just isn't. Period.

I don't have my head stuck up my ass.
^^^ quite appropriate that

I like to repeat something i touched on before, what makes gay parents different to lone parents?
WAIT HEAR ME OUT. if we're upset that the child needs heterosexual parents to be socialised properly, and to grow up to be a good active stable part of society because they need A MALE AND A FEMALE to raise them, then havent people been raised in a lone parent family, and turned out to be good stable people. with the absence of one of the parents, female or male. so if two people of the same sex raise a child isnt that the same in a sense like lone parents, as its still influence from a single single sex. i mean you just say its unhealthy, whats that supposed to mean? all i know is many hetreosexual parents are fools and shouldnt have married anyways and even raised kids but it happend. im sure some gay couples wouldnt be good at it, not because they are gay but because of their individual problems.

There really isn't much to this.

The optimal standard for any child is to have 2 parents - one male, one female. Why? Go and find successful, happy people and you'll find out they were brought up stable.

Yuo also have bad 2 parent famlies. This ranges from plain ineffective parents to child abusers. On the second count there are laws and adpotion to prevent this.

You also have single parents. We are currently passive on these; but if the child is shown to be deliquent or badly misbehaved then adoption may be necessary. The difference here though is that the parent conceived the child and they are likely to soon find another partner of the opposite sex.

Also, single paents may fall into two categories. In the first case, it maybe a couple who have since broken up; or a one-night stand affair. Well if it broke up, it may have worked, it just went by the way-side. I'll get back to this below. If its a one-night stand; that's mostly alright; the Johnny appleseeds of this world go spreading there seeds in the hope that when they move on to the next job others will take over that job; they got good seed - and good seed isn't so dependent on fertiliser.

Adoption doesn't really work - its not ideal and kids may grow up feeling unwanted. It is a best second option.

That's the whole point to this. I want kids to be happy and successful. And growing up with gays in my eyes is plain lunacy. Its being politically correct to satisfy feeble minded individuals.

Kids bully and no kid is going to be happy knowing his daddy bums his other daddy every night (not to mention psychological issues); if not for the thought; then because all the other kids are going to proper take the pi**. I know personally that because my mother and father had sex and were happy; I got a feeling for a happy, heterosexual, healthy, vibrant lifestyle where I could fit in with society and therefore for me to pass on this sequence to my kids. To relate this back to marriage, as is the title of this thread, the most functional purpose of marriage is to raise children in a stable unit; that's what marriage is most importantly for.

It is not wise to state execptions from what is generally an optimum; you work with probabilities and wisdom. In the case of gays adopting; if its obvious in the general something is a bad idea then don't go looking for the one decent tiger when the other 9 are chasing you. And likewise it is not wise to argue that because one male-female partnership is ineffective compared to 9 others,that we should consider the whole thing fragile. If you're not a psychopath; then you reject what is on the whole foolish and improve what is on the whole wise.

That's my piece. I dont wish to waste more of my time on this matter: as you can see my time is important.

Once again, this concept of "marriage" should be taken out of legal context. The concept of marriage in a biblical sense would actually be stronger for those that acknowledge this definition if it were preserved exclusively in their faith, in their church, thus seperating the values of the "world" apart from the values of the "Church." It should give it more value when it is something that it is adhered to despite the mores of the society that surrounds them. If it is imposed on society by law then, of course, it becomes less valued and maybe even taken for granted, as we see most notably in the disturbing high divorce rate. But, the point I'm making here is that the biblical definition of marriage should not be a legal definition and, certainly, not included in the Constitution. The main problem, I think, is that the biblical concept of marriage is religion, which should not be included in any legal or governmental considerations. If this problem were recognized and acknowledged then there would be no problem but, of course, Christian fundamentalists believe that government should be based on religion which, unfortunately, would be a big mistake for both the country and, most assuredly, a big problem for Christianity in the final outcome. They just can't see the big picture. Oh, well.

this is why the straight people fails to find a partner and live their lives as they should