Plans for George W. Bush Presidential Library - Page 2

It wasn't that Bush was incapable. It was that Bush saw no positive purpose in it and saw no reason to strengthen his opponent. Nor should he have. What a stupid idea - please Mr. President - tell us all of your mistakes so we can then run tv ads with you admitting your errors. What a joke. Its amazing so few people are intelligent enough to see through such sophistry.

Of course the right believes they are right- however they do not, for the most part, argue from emotion but from logic. Thus their ideas are crafted differently and far easier to defend. However, the Left feels stronly about their ideas and do not respond logically when their ideas are opposed because they arent based on logic in the first place.

So you are saying that are not a partisan? Did you vote in the last election?

Come to think of it, is anyone a true leftist or rightist? A majority of this country tends to fall in the center of the political spectrum, including me. I may be an advocate for social democracy, but tell me of one person who is working, lives independently and has to sustain their own income that would be happy to fork over their money for higher tax rates.

Maybe I've had my share of talking to the Boulder homeless idiots around here that have so many resources for employment and they come to me on my smoke break to bitch about being victims of life.

As for Bush, bad karma comes around in due time and these elections tomorrow are going to be the beginning of that. Mistakes that are not admitted but justified, or errors that are avoided to become public, all that will play itself out in the end. Too bad $87 billion more is getting wasted, but it has to happen at the cost of something, eh?

"Its amazing so few people are intelligent enough to see through such sophistry."
It would have been a sign of humility and maturity. Instead he floundered and repeated LBJ's motto: "Everything's fine... Trust me!'

"Of course the right believes they are right- however they do not, for the most part, argue from emotion but from logic."
DUH. What an idiot. Of course every leftist will claim leftists are logical and every rightist will claim rightists are logical.

Your pathetic. If you would show how Rightist's xenophobia, religious bigotry and belief in spread-eaglism are logical, instead of just asserting it without any argument whatsoever, your posts might be better than Rush Limbaugh's drivel.

"So you are saying that are not a partisan? Did you vote in the last election?"
No party reflects my opinions quite right. Libertarians probably reflect me to an extent, except that they are pro-gun rights and are too ideologically driven.

And no, I didn't vote.

I am a classical liberal which naturally means I am on the right. And I'm proud to be on the right.

The interesting thing is that many Americans and many more Europeans do not know what it means to be Right in America. They assume it means the same thing as Right means in Europe, when in truth it is extremely different. In Europe the political spectrum goes from Communism on the far left to Fascism on the far right. In the US you go from Communism on the extreme left to anarchy on the extreme right.

The definitions for liberal and conservative are also interesting. The founding fathers, children of Hobbes and Locke, were classical liberals. A conservative today wants to conserve their philosophy and traditions so a conservative is one that conserves liberalism. Of course in Europe this is not the case at all. There conservatives want to bring back more traditional European political structures like monarchy etc.

A modern liberal is not a liberal actually at all. The best definition I have heard for liberal is one that has been liberated from absolutes. Modern liberals want greater government centralization and control over all aspects of life from speech codes to earnings to the removal of religion to ending private property rights.

As for your Bush comment, it is amazing that on the eve of such an historic election all you can do is poopoo this incredible accomplishment. Talk about sour grapes!

Actually I spoke too soon - you are dumb! lol

Your understanding of winning a campaign is as laughable as is your desire that Bush pull a Jim Baker.

It does not matter what Leftists claim or what the Right claims. All that matters is their actions and in that you are increasingly coming off as a leftist.

Talk about pathetic. You want me to defend your false accusations. What a joke! Most on the Right are not xenophobic nor are they unduly patriotic. However you are clearly unduly unpatriotic and indefensibly so. And the Right is clearly not religiously bigoted. What a completely stupid argument when it is so obvious which ideology is religiously bigoted.

Your debating style denigrates the more you post - getting a little hot under the collar are you? Your emotions boiling over are they? How funny!

Listen, Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) is a classical liberal.

America's Right is a mix of classical liberals and religious anti-gay anti-pot bigots.

You're confusing America's right with the Libertarians.

I'd like to know what emotional basis you are claiming my arguments have been derived? Just because I couldn't possibly list all the info to go with my statements and wasn't worried about giving any at the time, just like every argument you have not substantiated as well, doesn't mean they were not based on fact and sound logic.

If you are referring to me acting insulted by your highly arrogant and insulting debut, well, you should not be surprised when someone acts or reacts emotionally when you act in that manner. But again, that has nothing to do with facts of my argument whether you are privy to them or not.

And I'm glad people brought up the partisan issue further, because I mentioned long ago that I don't believe or follow any of it, as you have just explained it has been changing and morphing into irrelevance anyway.

I cannot align myself with either major party when I see them call eachother liars and failures in the most important posistions in government and then the accusastions suddenly don't matter once one wins. Uh, be it unfortunate or not, I cannot simply forget negative information that is highly important and not properly explained or answered.

I think it is time to stop that nonsense and come together. Because no matter what we know that we will and do have differences of opinion on certain issues, but the main and most important ones don't seem to vary much.

And the other highly important issues are far too tainted with National Security blankets for people to be pushing for, like war. We are not allowed to know far too much information to be making claims of legitimacy in political claims and explanations. Especially in the face of a string of many egregious lies/errors.

Skepticism should be paramount for all since the dawn of lies, and especially since the all out development and use of propaganda and psychological warfare. This is also why we need appropriate separation of church and state, not the end of the freedom or religion, as well as a free and independant media not bound by corporations and politics under or over the table.

We all want to be free, we all want to be safe, and most of us would rather not have to kill people, that is the emotional aspect you refer with me as far as I can tell, and some would call it common sense, reason and logic.

And seriously McTex, your usage ( and abuse) of the term Sophism is your proof of your hypocricy. You simply claim fallacy in others arguments and points while inherently claiming truth in your own, while not providing evidence like you complain others do.

And again, I would like to know from where you get your information then if even your professors who taught you are wrong, and how and why that makes you right?

>>>Listen, Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) is a classical >>>liberal.

BWAAA. Oh my gosh. How funny. I like Arnold but he's no classical liberal. Arnold is a moderate republican which means he is a combination of socialist tendencies and conservative principles.

>>>America's Right is a mix of classical liberals and religious >>>anti-gay anti-pot bigots.

Most classical liberals were religious and I dount a single one would have been for promoting pro-gay laws such as gay marriage. They would have cared less what people did in the privacy of their own bedrooms which is where most on the right stand today. Are you a pothead, dumb teen? Are you opposed to all drug laws or just the ones regarding weed?

>>>You're confusing America's right with the Libertarians.

Libertarians are on the right dumb teen. You didnt know that? lol Here let me outline the american political spectrum for you from left to right:

Communists - Socialists - Democrats - Independents/Bluedogs/moderate republicans - Republicans - Libertarians - Anarchists

Are you stupid? That's the ECONOMIC spectrum.

Libertarians are LEFT on the social spectrum (pro-gay emancipation, pro-choice) and RIGHT on the economic spectrum.

And Arnie has stated that he wishes the Republicans were more socialy leftist. Moderate republicanism can just as much mean "religious socialist" as "secular classical liberal"

And again, that is why it becomes fairly contradictory when trying to generalize or profile and should be stopped as well, we only manage to sound like an assumptive ass and end up causing arguments that are based soley on pinched nerves when we generally actually want the same thing.

McTex, though you like to completely ignore and laugh off whatever information you like, to even hope of properly defeating that information you would need to look at classified and declassified information.

These documents that are declassified aren't just fantasy they are either time sensative and or awarded through court order (freedom of information act, and independant inquery etc.), your defamation of their lagitimacy is the undoing of your own credibility.

I realize the problem is that there is often conflicting documentation or quotes, but what do you think happens when they give press releases on classified situations where they would not dare give the actual classified documentation. They either declare no comment and or lie. Usually both. And hence conflicting data.

I would hope you would want clarification rather than just to believe you are right.

I don't have firm judgement on either side, I'm just used to human nature as you mentioned and see that lies and corruption are rampant enough to know we need to know what the fuck is going on, while never being surprised to find the worst to be true. Sadly, you seem to disagree.

And like I said before as well, if I am wrong then all is well, if you are wrong, then you are helping fight for the side of "evil" and the true source of terrorism.

No you are stupid...very!

>>>Libertarians are LEFT on the social spectrum (pro-gay
>>>emancipation, pro-choice) and RIGHT on the economic
>>>spectrum.

Libertarians are not Left on social issues. They are the farthest right. Their view is that government has no role in social issues. And they are not pro-gay or pro-abortion, they are anti-government involvment. Geez, this is basic stuff dumb teen.

No you are stupid...very!

HEY!....

Don't make me turn this car around......

Cause I will.......

And then you'll be sorry.

Or better yet, that's it's kids, "Get the hell out of the car, now!" and drive off leaving them on some deserted interstate, cold, alone and scared.

I can't believe I know someone's dad who actually did that to his kids and comes back after 45 minutes to pick them up. Haha.