A case for atheism - Page 2

Logic should not be the cure all, tell all (be all, end all for those who like it that way) because it fails in a paradoxical situation... or perhaps works too well... the lack of an answer is an answer, it just doesn't feel right.
Yes, people can form a logical construct built on common misconceptions, so what needs to be done, but can't, is that all common misconceptions be removed.

Hooray for present impossibilities.

Reality my friend is not what you can see but what you belive
the mind is not the brain

you who take pride in no God have no real reason to

no matter how much you tell yourself

why do i say this ?

because you yourself do not know the truth

so you take a side.

"Reality my friend is not what you can see but what you belive
the mind is not the brain"
True, however, the mind is housed in and powered by the brain. Lacking one brain, the mind just doesn't exist.

"you who take pride in no God have no real reason to no matter how much you tell yourself"
And... why is that? Who said I take pride in not believeing in God? I sure didn't. Not pride, simply; acceptance.

"Why do I say this ?"
I don't know. Why DO you say this?

"because you yourself do not know the truth so you take a side"
Okay, first, if truth is real, and real things exist in reality, and reality is what I believe, then I DO know the truth, because I know reality. So, there is my first point - just to throw a little logical-spanner into the works.
Second, you seem to be taking a side also, "my friend", and if you tell me I don't know the truth so I take a side, and you do the same, you must not know the truth.
Third, "taking a side" is what one does when one believes strongly in a matter. Though it does not good to attempt to show reason to religionists, it's still a good mental workout.
Fourth, this is a debate, and in a debate, we do not have personal attacks. So, I suggest that rather than sitting up on your high horse: butt out unless you are going to contribute something of merit. This pseudo-intellectual bull that you spouted makes no sense, and is, in fact, illogical. So, take your own message and see that you do not know the truth as you took a side - without any real ammunition, might I add.

Humph.

logic!
logic!

you sir have no proof

and if you do (which i know you dont)
state it

acceptance of what.... no God
No God
accept one thing you and i
will die and if you are right ok nothing happens
if God is real

logic ! will not save you then.

and yes i take a side like you sir.
we all take sides

Frankly, "friend", I don't need to prove myself to you.

I've given my contribution to the ARGUMENT above. You, however, have given biblical quotes. They are not evidence. For something to be evidence in this day and age, it must be possible to cross-check it.

Unfortunately, as the Bible cannot be, you have nothing.

Thus, you give me "logic! logic!" etc. Logic is one thing that proves itself. if something is logical, it is self-evident. You, however, cannot see that.

Even more, proof of what? A lack of a God? I might ask the same of you, for his absence is more proof of no god than it is of a god. Proof of reality being what is believed? Fine:

" "Reality" IS indeed what we can touch and feel. It is what we can sense with our (you guessed it) senses. We can feel, see, hear, taste and smell (and perhaps, with our sixth sense, if it exists, do something else) what is around us. We know nothing else, thus, this is our reality. It is what we "believe" because we can sense it, thus, you are right in saying it is what we believe, but wrong in saying it is not what we can touch and feel.

It is both."

Want more? Just ask. SPECIFIALLY. AND if it doesn't follow the topic, start a NEW one.

you are the proof of God

you think the big bang was just something that happened
What caused it !

take a deep breath !
you think you just happened
you are here for a purpose

Explain yourself.

That is the point of these forums.

so explain

Oooh, tricky. Posting, waiting for my post, then editing the one before it. very nice manipulation of the thread. But we know. Feel guilty?

My purpose: to live.
My creator: evolution
My explanation: none. I don't understand the theory well enough to explain it. I can understand it, when it is given to me by one who knows better, but to explain it is a difficult task beyond my learning. There are many others here who would love to explain these things to you. IN THE RIGHT THREAD.

Im sorry you feel that way
but i trick no one

you just type faster

I knew that you had no explanation

because i didnt have one when i was like you

Give me an email, and when I have my explanation, which I am researching as I type, I shall send it to you. In totality. Also, I'll post it here.

"you think the big bang was just something that happened
What caused it ! "
I hate this sort of argument. You can just throw back, what caused God?

The fact is, God and the big bang both have equal claim to the 'First Cause', thus, by definition they are not caused.

Too often people confuse First Cause and Christian God. They are NOT the same thing.

Well I will have to augue the piont with you

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The fact is, God and the big bang both have equal claim to the 'First Cause', thus, by definition they are not caused.

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GOD claim in biblical reference states I AM, indicative in Hebrew context to several factors (language construction & usage) The tense of this statement implies a continuous process or tense ; past tense presence tense and future, etc.
The theory of the Big Bang does not make such an statement?

The Big Bang doesn't claim to be before, now and tomorow.

If God is now, today and tomorow, that doesn't increase his claim to the 'first cause'. What does it matter if he continues to exist after the world is made? That doesn't concern the first cause of creation.

Yes, that is What is written and spoke of By the Creator being and indicative aspect of the Creator aspect.