Keeping God in the Pledge - Page 2

I just see it as nobody will ever see eye to eye and no body has to see it my way. but they should. lol!! Kidding!! I guess that kicks in and I do feel that sometime but, I know people are diff and argueing isnt doing anyone any good

Yes, but there is an important difference between argueing and debating...if we could all just debate, and not argue, that would be wonderful.
Have you checked out the "rules for a good debate" that we've come up with on "Stupid/Bullheaded people" ?

ya ya, never follow rules. To restricting. Not those just rules in general

I don't think it does matter if god is in it or not.. I don't think Having should make a diffrence, All religions are based off the same god anyways, they may call it somehting diffrent but in the end its the same thing. Just intterputed diffrent, its like the telephone game.

Out of principle it really should be out of the pledge, but it really doesn't matter if the children aren't forced to say it. If they're forced, then the state and society have no right to force people (US born or immigrants, there are plenty of US born atheists) to believe in God or say they believe in God.

The US was founded on black slavery and oppression against indians (many founding fathers had slaves and the constitution is extremely racist towards indians). Should the US continue black slavery and oppression against indians?

Well the reason this is a problem is because there is supposed to be a seperation between church and state.

Umm, sorry crimson, but I don't see what you are trying to get at with the Indian/Black thing. Can you please clear that up?

One of Brann' s arguments was that the US was founded on religion and should maintain its old ideals. I think that argument is faulty because the US was founded on bad things such as racism and I doubt Brann is a racist.

Ok.. now I see.

I don't have any religious beliefs but saying the pledge never bothered me. I really think it is silly for someone to even talk about taking it out. I would prefer if it weren't in there, but ultimately I really don't care. I have to realize that I am in the minortiy in a country where 90% of the population believe in God.

All the lawsuits do is rile up the neo-cons and religious wackos.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

notice that america is the strongest country, other islamic countries like iraq have alot of problems and other third world countries are not as fortunate as we are because we are blessed because majority of our country has trust in God. Once you take God away our country will fail to be the strongest country. Satan's function is to confuse people and convince them into beliving God doesnt exist.

Yeah, right....lmfao

ROFLMAO!!!
Get a grip. There was a time when God-loving inquisitor roaming Europe was backward on the middle east was the home of the world's great thinkers.

And besides, if you want to use circumstantial facts to back up a religion there are plenty going for Islam.
Islam does not deny christ, but only denies he has saved humanity. Given the wars and death that have happened since then, Christ either did a crappy job or didn't save us.
Islam is more "modern" in the sense that it has a more recent prophet from God.
The Islamic God manages to make his followers far more devout, pious, focus and faithful then the Christian God.
There are more muslims then christians, if democracy means anything, Allah is the true God.

AMEN DT!

Locally there is a similar debate of sorts some folks wish to have the lords prayer at school every day it has been out of the public system for a long time.. Anyway that sort of mentality pisses me off why the hell do they fell it is neccesary to push ther stpid beliefs on everyone else - that if you your not a beleiver you should be attitude... anyway it is dumb and long gone and should renmain so.