Excerp: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Page 8

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just from something as simple as reading local newspapers, and yet when I mention anything of the sort to people I get called paranoid.

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Or a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer, right?

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does anybody know what this man's name is?

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Larry Silverstein

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswer
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i can't say that i have ever been called a terrorist sympathizer. mostly what i get when i bring up the subject is "you are seeing something there because you want to. just because certain things coincided doesn't mean that they are connected". no matter what i say to people, the response is always that it is just coincidence that, say, silverstein took out a huge insurance policy on the buildings, or that the government was doing simulations that morning of people flying planes into buildings. "you are making something out of nothing" is what i always hear. it always amuses me that people are so unwilling to even consider the possibility that powerful people would lie to us about something like this. even if you don't think its true, isn't it worth considering?

Silently many of us here in Oklahoma wonder - and they had some kind of drill going on the day of the bombing here as well.

And Clinton was president at that time, while I don't like Bush, I believe this is bigger than the president. The president, even Mr. Bush, may have an idea but may not even be fully aware of the powers that be.

But if you think about it logically without feelings, its not all so unbelievable - look at our history and what we have done.

Nichols wasn't sentenced to death and their was no protest, why, because silently some of us wonder if the real criminal is actually on trial.

WHAT IS THAT LINK AT THE BEGINNING OF PAGE FIVE ON THAT FORUM??

It contains absolutely wrong in formation about many things. Darth Vader exists??? And the Armageddon survival kit??? Also, there is a HUGE amount of absolutely wrong information about Islam; there isn't a single correct piece of info in the whole page. That site is extremely unreliable and written by some people who are driven by their ignorance and shallowness. And for anyone who was convinced with anything on this site, I am happily telling him: "Get A Life"

For the conspiracy theorists; it looks as though most of the evidence for DISTRUSTING the government is sound. But, this distrust is still focussed on the EFFECT of the government. I agree with pacificism and the freedom of people. But, humans being humans, what evil really is, is when something opposes or threatens you or things and people close to you, so to make YOU unhappy. This 'evil' therefore is not universal, but relative to the individual or groups of individuals.

Now, I don't know the INTENTIONS of the USA, nor do I know the INTENTIONS of other major governments. What I do know is that Saddam Hussein caused HIS OWN people to be unhappy. Now, we may argue that America is doing just this, but have a reality check and realise that the SCALE is less devestating.

Now, lets assume America has a plan for global domination, along with other countries and the new world-order. The question is: what does it intend to do with this power? We've seen this before with the Roman's; its nothing particularly new.

It is also good to note that the most successful ancient eastern communities were not only spiritually inclined but recognised for the sake of preserving their knowledge it was right to practice martial arts; Tibetan Monks still exist now.

Thus, America may be deceiting its own people, but why does it do this? There is of course the opinion that in a dog-eat-dog world its necessary to hold back the truth because in our multicultural society some of the people could damage the legacy of the principles of a country. On the other hand, it might be that it does this for domination of a few over many; a global dictatorship. My point is; don't let whats obvious to you mae you angered others do not see. Instead we should inform them, but for our own good, and above all, we should keep digging into why.

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What I do know is that Saddam Hussein caused HIS OWN people to be unhappy.

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What you know is what the media tells you. Saddam has had help with every terrible thing he has done. Including taking power. How he ruled, like many despotic associates of ours, was of no concern ever.

How he used his natural resources, affected the world economy, and who he chose to align with did.

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The question is: what does it intend to do with this power? We've seen this before with the Roman's; its nothing particularly new.

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Things that have already happened in the past with such super powers that were and are a problem today, are, slavery, ethnic cleansing, torture, rape, abuse, mass imprisonment, and one being thrown around a lot these days comes in the form of depopulation, around 80% reduction in human population.

With of course the corrupt causing it and landing on top.

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It is also good to note that the most successful ancient eastern communities were not only spiritually inclined but recognised for the sake of preserving their knowledge it was right to practice martial arts; Tibetan Monks still exist now.

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That's only partially true, as most ancient eastern and western information and history has been purposely irradicated through inquisitions, book burnings, religious and political bullshit.

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some of the people could damage the legacy of the principles of a country.

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Or to hide that those in power are doing just that.

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My point is; don't let whats obvious to you mae you angered others do not see. Instead we should inform them, but for our own good, and above all, we should keep digging into why.

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Exactly. Given current reality and all of history to this point, we see distinct patterns and effects of them.

Things happening today are not a giant mystery, people in power denying reality simply makes it appear that way. These same people have already written and spoken the majority of their intentions. Its documented and being implemented.

To me, the best world is where we all act as one with common understanding to promote QUALITY of life.

Are you optimistic or pessimistic we can achieve this?

http://www.projectcensored.org/index.html

some good stuff on that site. also the new book censored 2006 has some great reporting

while eating, the boob tube (news) talked about how 'the flam'im bush' know that there were no WMD's in Iraq but according to source considered ways & means to justify starting military actions . . . like by painting UN marking on an aircraft & then deliberately sending it into harm's way . . . that it would be shot down by Iraq air force planes?

Actually, cturtle makes a point here as a (and somewhat only as) STARTER to start understanding.

All news is bias. Hardly ever do you get news of something good happening, always bad. We're naturally more tuned into doom and gloom; clearly more interested in what could go wrong, and not in how we could help better things-however much you wish to gloss this over. Deep down, however, if we acknowledge it, of course we want things to go well. To do this we should focus on what we can do to better things.

Anyway, rant over, , point in case is we just need the evidence presented and take an informed choice. In any case it really boils down to trust and who you believe over another. Your your own judge; time will tell if you are sucessful or not and hence if you are a fool or a wise-asss. Until then, keep open minded; but not too much so ur brains fall out!!!

Actor & Director Ed Asner Shares 9/11 Concerns
Highlights story of hijackers still alive and well

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006

Award winning director, producer and actor Ed Asner is the latest high profile public figure to voice his support for Charlie Sheen's stance on 9/11 and share his own concerns about 9/11, the war in Iraq and the Neo-Cons.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show Asner, best known for his Emmy-winning role as Lou Grant on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, echoed Charlie Sheen's sentiments in stating, "I became suspicious of 9/11 on the day it happened."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306asnershares.htm

Asner questioned why CNN chose to cancel his scheduled spot on Showbiz Tonight. After speaking to inside sources within CNN we were able to confirm that the order came down from a higher office to "kill" the story, despite the fact that the issue had generated the most interest Showbiz Tonight had ever encountered.

Asner is a true humanitarian and is an activist in the fields of missing US PoW's, depleted uranium, which Asner suggested was a deliberate population reduction method, and the fight to get the FDA to eliminate deadly thimerosal mercury additives to vaccines.

His public stance on 9/11 and his support of Charlie Sheen helps in the ongoing effort to encourage public figures with large media platforms to step forward and become prominent voices for the 9/11 truth movement.

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Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation
Truth crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly TV broadcast

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.

Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.

The US government attempted to sabotage the trip by putting Rodriguez, who has been decorated at the White House itself, and Walter on a no fly list.



Rodriguez (pictured above) and Walter are educating top Venezuelan officials on the evidence that 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound carried out by the military-industrial complex. They have also appeared on every Venezuelan television and radio station both private and state owned and have given huge presentations to major universities.

Upon visiting, Rodriguez said that the President of the Assembly, Nicolas Maduro's home was brimming with books, videos and documents about the 9/11 cover-up. Maduro, Venezuela's top legislator, intoned that he was ready to create an international investigative committee, looking into the "international crime scene" that is 9/11 and that this would be structured via Hugo Chavez's government.

Rodriguez and Walter are also set to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly broadcast 'Alo Presidente' - which is often subsequently the source of major international headlines. If there is no coverage of this event then we know for sure that a blackout order is in place.

Rodriguez and Walter offered their full support for Charlie Sheen's recent public stance on 9/11 and were heartened by his efforts. The potential of a government level inquiry endorsed by Hugo Chavez dovetails with Sheen's call for an independent investigation to be carried out by political foreign nationals.

Though the establishment media will no doubt seek to demonize Chavez as a militant with an axe to grind, this is an exciting development and the next step on the road to a genuine investigation that will seek to uncover the truth rather than hide skeletons and whitewash as was witnessed with the staged Kean committee.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306launchinvestigation
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Audio of 911 operators released:

"The words of the operators - but not the callers - were released"

oh really? hmm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12079783/

Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

Mon Jan 30, 11:37 AM ET
(PRWEB) - Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.

They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.
Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholar find profoundly troubling:

* In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?
* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?
* A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

* The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.

These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."

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James Fetzer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5

Ok, this is a serious issue correct? I agree. Whether one believes one way or another.

But the most important thing we can do is to educate ourselves as to why we believe what we believe as well as why any who disagree believe what they do.

In situations like these where one faces an institution of secrecy and deception that calls itself a beacon of freedom and democracy, one simply must question any claims of it. Especially when such an institution, and or factions and individuals within it, has enough resources and influence to possibly cover up any wrong doing.

Some important points in the search for truth are bias and propaganda. Bias is fairly self explanatory, and though propaganda is a word often used or mentioned, it is not thuroughly delved into, especially in the context of the implications of the amount, sophistication, diversity, and targets of Official Government Propaganda Programs.

Propaganda is not just one side promoting itself as good. Nor is it just that plus saying "the other side" is bad. It includes lying. It includes sophisticated ploys, such as the common political smear campaign mixed with truth and speculation, and perhaps sheer slanderous lies.

Another such ploy, a red herring, when you want someone to lose faith in a fact or believed notion, you can make up a lie or generate interest in a existing false misleading claim that first supports the fact or believed notion but then later can be easily proved false, which when done correctly then damages the credibility of the believed notion and or even facts themselves, regardless of their actual factuality or lack of connection with the false claim.

Its saying or doing absolutely anything to create a desired response.

Propaganda on its grandest scale is the control of the percieved reality of the entire world, as percieved by the majority of the world that consumes it, either first or second hand.

There are people whose careers and entire lives are spent within our own government to do one thing. Sway the outcome of world and domestic events through information control and fabrication.

Having said that, or rambled that more precisely, I feel it very important to know as many sides of a story as possible. And in respect to 9/11 conspiracy theories, facts etc. There are indeed those who claim to have theories and facts refuting them.

So I've decided to take an opportunity to post a link to what has recently been described as a definitive explanation to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Its been out for a while now and some may have seen it, but its important to weigh all "evidence", and its also important to know that many officials disagree with many of the pieces claims, which are admittedly mostly presented as theories though some have decided to refer to them as fact in reporting them.

There have been claims of possible bias due to the owner of the Magazine. But I'll leave looking into that to you.

Heck, I'll even through in an couple extra links in case you want what I just realized was like a living soap opera spanning mainstream media, independent media, web media, blogs, and whatever this site is.

Let's see, first we have a direct link for those who wanna be no fun and miss out on the interesting soap. But you can always come back later to see what some members of the media were having to say about it all.

Popular Mechanics: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

Published in the March, 2005 issue.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Next we have a lady who recently sat with Hannity and Colmes talking about Charely Sheen and his public support of the notion that the Government was involved in 9/11. Her piece here talks about responses she has recieved since the show and her opinions on the 9/11 issue.

(Note: I took the time to send her and email as well )

Conspiracy theories flourish regarding 9/11

By BETSY HART
Scripps Howard News Service
30-MAR-06

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=HART-03-30-06


Next is a direct response to here article from another site by an American Radio and TV talk show and appearantly UK writer and researcher etc. As they were directly mentioned in here article. It will resemble K's in part.

(And I don't know anything about the chick by the way)

The 'Fear Of Muslims' Conspiracy Theory
Betsy Hart's catch-all explanation for 9/11 questions

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306fearofmuslims.htma >

And for shits and giggles I'm posting a link were you can find a video I've already posted of here on Hannity and Colmes, along with some other good stuff.

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/63012/waking_the_sheeple_a_tribute_to
_alex_jones.htm

From which I'll repost a short but amuzing video. Turn up your speakers.

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm

By the way he is also running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

http://www.bowman2006.com/